I personally have witnessed 12.90s @ 110 bone stock down to the paper filter from a 2000 SS that was only weeks old. That's faster than this "500hp" GT500 did stock apparently, with far, far less HP and 6 years ago to boot.

But I guess I'm missing your point. I was referring to the fact that at a given HP level, say 500hp, a pushrod motor such as the LS7 would have a huge weight advantage.

Right, exactly. And tying this back in with the "we don't want a pig Camaro" debate, its reasonable to assume any given Camaro, all else being equal, is going to be at least 100 lbs lighter than the Mustang, just because the Mod motors are so physically large/heavy despite their smaller displacements.

 

Finally someone sets the record straight. I have had the same experience, although with MUCH less seat time than you Bob, in the 1/4 mile. The myth of getting the best MPH with bad E.T.s needs to go away. It doesn't make any sense.

As for the GT500. We all need to give it time. It won't be long before they find which mods give the biggest bang for the buck. Sure, it might not be what people were bragging it up to be stock, but they are going to be beasts to deal with soon enough. No matter what is done, the cars weight can never be compensated for, and that should be the single biggest disappointment for the GT500.

Dan

 

Yeah, but that is very misleading comparing a "best of the best" stock LS1 time, to this GT 500, which doesn't seem to have a very good driver mod. Magazines have gotten stock GT500 times quite a bit faster than the 12.9@110 for the LS1.

I don't like the GT500 personally, but we have to be fair.

Dan

 

The Hurricane engine and a redesigned Mustang come out right after the release of the Camaro. No one knows what the weight of either will be.

 

Hurricane will still be OHC. OHV engines, given similar materials, will always be lighter than OHC engines. It's a simple question of packaging.

 

Do we know that for a fact?

 

It's still not reasonable to assume however that the Camaro will be lighter for several reasons including that as it looks now, future Cobra models will not need a blower due to larger displacement (goodbye charger and intercooler setup). This also opens the possibility of aluminum blocks being used again instead of iron. I could see the Cobra of the future shedding several hundred pounds at least. Add to that the fact that the Camaro will have IRS versus a live axle and there is no telling which future car will be the heaviest.

 

Okay, I guess we don't...

I'll be surprised (pleasantly) if it's not true, though.

 

A guy on GMI was spouting it as fact but I don't think anyone is positive yet.

 

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...d.php?t=312942

Wow, I just took the time to sit and read through all 11 pages of that thread ... that was some of the worst reading ever!!!

In over 4 years of being a member here on , I have NEVER seen as much "banning" and talk about banning as I did over there?! It's like it's such a common thing to do, that EVERYBODY is quick to jump and point out who's next!? I think I remember 1 or 2 cases of somebody getting carried away (in the Lounge) and getting the boot, but they were way out of line ..... not just for expressing their opinions over a car!!

...maybe the Mustang guys just know better not to come here and p!$$ off the Camaro guys, 'cause they know we'll whip them out on the track?? We don't seem to get many "trolls" like that?

Sorry, I realize that was a little off topic, but just thought it was worth commenting on.

 

Bob asked me for an example, I complied. I didn't bring up the comparison.

 

Actually I think Mustang is due for a refreshening and I thought I had read that IRS was part of the update.

 

You either agree with them, or you arent allowed into the circle, lol.

But if the next Camaro ran a high-high 11, blown with most of the boltons and gears and a tune up, we would have to be just as thick headed to pretend its worth the already high price of the car plus the cost of the air intake, exhaust, wheels, tires, comp tune, and whatever else im forgetting on that mostly stock car. lol

 

Depends.

If GM goes the supercharger route on the new "Top Camaro", expect the package to add 150 to 200 pounds. Starting.

If GM manages to do it normally aspirated, through say, a cheaper version of the 7 liter, and manages to keep the weight of the drivetrain down (no easy task when we're talking 500+ horses) then there won't be too much of a weight penalty.


The new Mustang GT weighs almost exactly the same as a 2002 Z28 (+/-3450#). GT500 weighs in around 3900. Most every pound of that is engine and drivetrain.

 

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