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Old Jun 19, 2003 | 05:55 PM
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I'm a little cynical, so I'm doubtful we'd see a concept wearing the Camaro badge in January at NAIAS, for 2 big reasons.

1) Doesn't the dreaded CAW/Camaro contract prohibit GM from publicly using the Camaro name until 2005?

2) C6 is debuting at NAIAS 2004. I doubt Chevy wants any thunder-stealing at that show. I personally think there'd be no better way to make a statement than to show BOTH cars there but knowing GM the way I do (cynical part talking again), it ain't about to happen folks.

Write it down. NAIAS 2005.
Old Jun 19, 2003 | 06:01 PM
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On the contrary I think GM will do everything to steal the thunder from the 2005 Mustang when it get unveiled @ the 04 NAIAS as well.

While the new Stang will be a huge hit, GM will do a one-two-punch and show-off the new production Vette and a new Concept Camaro at the same time.

This way when all the car magazines start talking about the new Mustang they will also write about the return of the new Camaro/Mustang rivalry. Everytime the new Stang gets mentioned there will most likely be a little writeup about the specs of the new Camaro and when it will be released for the next-gen showdown.
Old Jun 19, 2003 | 06:12 PM
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I certainly hope they show it in '04--not only would it be a big dent in the Mustang (and maybe reason enough for my wife and I to cancel our order for one), but it would also help end the whining about "Chevrolet doesn't have anything interesting except for Corvette."

Imagine a new Corvette (production) and a new Camaro (concept) side by side! Very nice!
Old Jun 19, 2003 | 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
Wow. Thanks for the report.

A few questions...

Did they actually say the word "Camaro"? As in "This is a concept Camaro" or just kind of say "What do you think of this?"

When you were desribing it, I sort of thought of Chevelle characteristics, which, in my mind, makes sense as a Chevy version of the next GTO.

Excellent work
Camaro was not used anywhere. But the front end of the SS concept was completely redone to resemble a 1969 Z28/RS (Flattened Cowl Induction hood crease lines and grill with peekabo-esque lights). The redone Fender flares also resemble a 1st gen F-bod. The rear remained unchanged from the SS concept. The dimensions of the car are Mustang-esque with a longer wheel-base.
Old Jun 19, 2003 | 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by ced8
Very good info. I don't like the fact that they are sticking that bar across the grill and spoiling it but oh well.

The interior if it is done as you say then wouldn't it add a lot to the bottom line base car?

Any more information such as engine choice, transmission (how many gears on the manumatic/any other details on it?)

I know this sounds like a dumb q. but do you remember what the rear windshield looked like? (It may point us in the right direction of what car this actually might end up being)
I frankly didn't like the interior. It was way clean but looked to be complex. There were no intuitive *****. It looked like everything was going to be done thru the center console. I push enough buttons at work already, I don't need any more.

No information about power train. But one of the question in the general info. section (before you got to see the concept) was "Select from the list below the options you feel the car must have (huge checklist of about 50 items)". Under other I wrote down 350 RWHP .

The rear is not that different from the SS concept, it had a very short deck. I did not see a trunk seem and the glass was slightly inset from the rear quarter panel pillar. The glass inset reminded me of a LEXUS GS430. I can't say for sure it was a hatch but a hatchback falls in line with the questions they asked in part 3 of the survey, 60/40 flat folding rear seats configuration.
Hope that answered your questions.
Old Jun 19, 2003 | 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by 99SilverSS

To those who have made their minds up already please open your yoursleves up to something new. The old formula wasn't working if we are to get an affordable GM RWD performance 2+2 coupe then it may not be true to some of of the Camaro or Firebirds heritage in every aspect of the word.

My example is the Mazda RX8 returning after the RX7. Much the same but more user friendly in its layout and design. Revolutionary in the use of the rear doors. Yet not loosing the heart of the cars heritage.
This reminded me of something, the demographics for this study were very broad. I saw only 5 F-bods in the parking lot, various other cars from many manufacturers. The group I was in was about 50/50 men/women, age groups from early 20s to early 50s, and all races. I got the feeling the concept was meant to appeal to a larger audience.
Old Jun 19, 2003 | 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
Ya, I'm so giddy right now to have something new and exciting to sink our teeth into that I am not obsessing on the fact that the phrase "retro looking" has been mentioned... :blah: :blah: :blah:
Darth I also do not like RETRO. "The rear and side profiles look new and fresh but the front end looks a little forced." That's what I wrote down when they asked to explain why I checked the "It's fresh and new but it might take me a while to get used to it" box. They also had a "I can fall in love with this design" box. I couldn't honestly check it.

You have to be a 1st gen fanatic to be able to pick of the RETRO design cues. If I new nothing about Camaro's history, I probably would have thought the design was entirely new. One more thing, unlike the SS concept this coupe did not seem bubbly and bloated to me. Very streamlined, very mean looking.
Old Jun 19, 2003 | 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by guionM

Supertim, if that indeed is the direction of the next Camaro, I'm wondering how the T-tops are going to come into play myself.
I didn't think about it until now, but T-Tops would kill the clean lines of the concept I saw. But then again, the concept made forget about them all together.
Old Jun 19, 2003 | 09:48 PM
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Big news indeed, nice job

I'm a nay-sayer and I wouldnt think GM would release a C6 and F5 at the same time, however, from what has been posted the Camaro team was dissolved into the Vette team, so they would have the funding currently to pull off such a task.

I just dont want a damn retro car.
Old Jun 19, 2003 | 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by johnsocal
On the contrary I think GM will do everything to steal the thunder from the 2005 Mustang when it get unveiled @ the 04 NAIAS as well.

While the new Stang will be a huge hit, GM will do a one-two-punch and show-off the new production Vette and a new Concept Camaro at the same time.

This way when all the car magazines start talking about the new Mustang they will also write about the return of the new Camaro/Mustang rivalry. Everytime the new Stang gets mentioned there will most likely be a little writeup about the specs of the new Camaro and when it will be released for the next-gen showdown.
I think I just got chills!
Old Jun 19, 2003 | 11:12 PM
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I would think if this next camaro concept gets a favorable response during the 2004 carshow season they would give it an official greenlight a year from now. I dont know how fast GM can get from concept to production but I would guess it could be 3 years in a best case scenerio but more likely 4 years if there are any kinks in the process like the Chevy SSR. Even 4 years from now could put it into a late model year 2007 release to give it the extra hype with the 40th anniversary. I would think the first full year production wouldnt start til the 2008 MY.

If this new concept flops then I really doubt will will see a new Camaro before 2009 or later. I would also think that this car will be built off the next-gen GTO platform and not the Solstice. The next gen V8 version of this Camaro will most likely start @ $30,000-$35,000 in 2007/2008 dollars if its on the same platofrm as the GTO.
Old Jun 19, 2003 | 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by johnsocal
On the contrary I think GM will do everything to steal the thunder from the 2005 Mustang when it get unveiled @ the 04 NAIAS as well.

While the new Stang will be a huge hit, GM will do a one-two-punch and show-off the new production Vette and a new Concept Camaro at the same time.

This way when all the car magazines start talking about the new Mustang they will also write about the return of the new Camaro/Mustang rivalry. Everytime the new Stang gets mentioned there will most likely be a little writeup about the specs of the new Camaro and when it will be released for the next-gen showdown.

Agree!! 2 car Camaro and Corvette( Mustang who!)

I must admit that when i read this news I almost Cry!!

If the Caw has something to do with the Camaro name it doesn't matter
GM can use

Z28 concept
Panter Concept
I knew it!! NAIAS what better date do show a new Camaro than the same time that the Mustang will start production!!


It looks like whe are Back!!
Old Jun 20, 2003 | 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
Anything under 190 would make me happy.
Closer to 180 would make me happy.
Old Jun 20, 2003 | 01:19 AM
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Closer to 180 would make me happy.
200 would make me happy I need a boat car after this POS I'm dealing w/ now...
Old Jun 20, 2003 | 01:48 AM
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Nothing more than 187" IMO.



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