Originally Posted by formula79

There is a difference between how something looks in pictures, and how it is in reality. For instance, your Audi's interior sure looks cool..but in terms reliabilty and build quality it is a crap box.

When I first saw the GP interior in pictures it looked GREAT. Honestly appeared light years ahead of the outgoing model. Then I test drove a GT about 6 months before I bought mine that had the two tone interior, and it still seemed great to me. Now after living with mine nearly two years, I have learned that though it looked cool, it was not built with the best material. On a hot day, the plastic on the center stack heats up and expands leaving nasty gaps between it and the radio. The brushed aluminum trim on the steering wheel wore off and had to be replace under warrenty. The center console is made of cheap material, and you can easily shake it back and forth. The HUD button is a cheap engineering nightmare. Lastly, the leather on the seats is cheap, and looks way older than it actually is. Other than that, though I have not had anything physically break, or and squeeks and rattles.

Originally Posted by Jason E

Threxx,

Tell me you did NOT just say the Audi has held up great "so far"???? Say what? You've had that car, what...a month? Low standards for your new car, eh?? I mean, I could see if it had 40k and you were saying that...

Squeaky seat? A shame...

Originally Posted by Threxx

Oh, and unless you were rubbing it constantly with sandpaper, brushed aluminum trim does not wear off. Maybe if it was just silver paint that simulated aluminum trim, but then there's nothing brushed about it.

Originally Posted by 90 Z28SS

04-05 =painted

06 = real aluminum

I worked at a Audi dealer for 3 years , the current gen ( 00-06) A4's interior ages quite gracefully .

Originally Posted by TA Jack

Grand Prixs are ugly and there is no 2 door model. The new Impalas look like Camrys and the G6s look very Nissany. If GM designers cant make an original version that people want to buy, might as well copy a known winning design.
A new Mustang GT is in my future,if I can sell a couple GM cars I own.

Originally Posted by Jason E

This makes me sick. It really, really does. As someone above said, GM needed at least 90 days to suck it up in the marketplace...and they can't even do that. Cobalts don't need incentives to sell. G6s don't need incentives to sell. I am glad to see Caddy, Hummer, the Solstice and the Vette are excused, but in reality, cars like the LaCrosse, G6, Cobalt and Impala should be too. This is a joke...a bad, bad joke.

I actually got in an argument with my dad last night over how dumb GM has been in the marketplace over the last 18-24 months. He believes that if someone like Hyundai can come out with a car as nice as the Sonata, why did Chevy try to hawk such a crappy Malibu? Why does the GP, 3 years later, still have such a lousy interior? Why is the Monte nothing more than an Impala nose grafted onto the old car, and still has some of the crappiest interior trim bits on a $30k car of any car out there? Why can't a G6 sedan be more aggressive looking? Why can Honda come out with a Civic that while I think its ugly (and he does too), but Chevy comes out with a Cobalt that although it has an extremely nice interior and driving experience, doesn't look THAT much different than a Cavalier? How old will it look in 2 years?

Furthermore, what Chevy says "gotta have it" other than the Corvette? He told me that other than a C6, there is not one GM product remotely worth him trading in his Formula for. The problem is, I can't argue with any of what he said. I got annoyed over the Hyundai thing, as I think a G6 is a better looking car than the Sonata, for sure. But he does have a point with virtually everything else.

Its pretty sad when a friend of mine, who I sold an '01 GA GT to, says "this is the last domestic I will ever buy. It has 80k on it, and I don't think it will last another year." She's had the same nit-picky crap go wrong with it I had go wrong with my own GA. Its pathetic when I agree with Motor Trend that a $30k Torrent "has some nice features, but the driving dynamics don't nearly justify the price."

I think the worst thing is that if its a car that costs under $30k MSRP-wise, there is one single car out of all the GM divisions I would care to POSSIBLY spend the $$$ on...a G6 GTP (MC SS or GXP, the way I'd want them, would be over $31k). And even that, with 240hp, isn't nearly as "gotta have" as a 280hp s/c variant would be....but oh wait, they killed that idea. Let rebates ring, then!

I was waxing my GP yesterday, and I still believe it is the nicest midsize car GM has produced in 10 years. Apparently, many agree...because I don't see hardly any coming back in on trade for a new GP. I don't see hardly any GAs coming back in on G6s. The natives are restless, and they're going elsewhere. Rebates or not, the only real "gotta have" domestics are a Mustang, Corvette, and the LX Cars.

Anything GM, they seem to feel the need to cut the price to make it worth a sale. Maybe Maximum Bob needs to get more of those "gotta haves" out on the lot, and give us fewer 5 cylinder H3s, 185hp Torrents, 197hp Lucernes and CTSs with rubber interiors. Sorry to be so defeatist, but I don't even see how GM will be able to get the "gotta have" models of a few years away out. They'll be outta cash before then!

As guion said, this is VERY BAD NEWS. I was already getting a little gloomy before this...this just takes the cake.

Originally Posted by Ken S

I just got a certificate in the mail for another either $1000 off Chevy trucks and most SUV's, or $500 most Chevy cars (excluding Z06 ) Says it can be combined with most current incentives... and also says supposidly not offered to the general public..

Snazzy flyer though. Heavy emphasis on mpg.

Originally Posted by Jason E

Are you a GM Cardmember? If so, I might get one of these too I get similar flyers from time to time. Its a great way to drum up business, from those who are leaning towards buying. It won't help me enough, though

Originally Posted by Jason E

Uhm, ok...I can't say I'd agree with that in the least, but to each their own. Just PLEASE don't tell me a Vibe is better on the inside...because when I think of GM small cars, I think the Cobalt is by far the best they've had in terms of interior appointments, and is pretty damn good in general IMO.