GM says goodbye to new V8s...
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Thank God cause it sucks. Besides, what the hell does it matter. I was simply stating a fact. I dont recall saying there wasnt anything else, but when someone tells me that they will show me thier area and prove me wrong about mine, I dont understand how? All I said was that mass transit didnt work here and he said he would prove me wrong by showing me how well it worked there. Didnt make any sense how I was wrong about my statement just because it does work in another area? Never said anything about there not being anyplace else but Orlando, only that mass transit doesnt work around here.
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Sorry for reviving an old thread but maybe CAFE is cutting deeper than we all think... DBK is apparently an insider who posts often on svtperformance.
...As far as all future product offerings, the packaging will continue to be whatever it was going to be, but the instead of V8>V6, you'll see more TTV6>V6>I4. The new premium Lincoln sedan is going to be topped with the TTV6 with no V8 offering, so the changeover has already begun.
We had this discussion in depth in Arizona and the consensus was that the days of the cheap American V8 were over for everyone. The high dollar and premium stuff will still get it, but V6 will be the new V8, and Turbo 4s are going to be everywhere in 10 years. The media and the average consumer are totally underestimating the impact of this 35mpg thing. "Oh the Autos will find a way to adapt". Yeah, you're right. By canning V8 programs (GM just did) and going Turbo crazy(Ford is) It's literally going to turn the US car market into the European car market within a decade.
Mustang will continue with the V8 because it doesn't do enough V8 volume to overrun the gains that will be made by the shift to "EcoBoost" in everything else. Cars like the Verve, Focus, Fusion, Flex etc are going to get good enough fuel economy to make 30,000-40,000 V8 Mustangs immaterial. And by 2011, certain cars will have weight savings they can't achieve currently.
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We had this discussion in depth in Arizona and the consensus was that the days of the cheap American V8 were over for everyone. The high dollar and premium stuff will still get it, but V6 will be the new V8, and Turbo 4s are going to be everywhere in 10 years. The media and the average consumer are totally underestimating the impact of this 35mpg thing. "Oh the Autos will find a way to adapt". Yeah, you're right. By canning V8 programs (GM just did) and going Turbo crazy(Ford is) It's literally going to turn the US car market into the European car market within a decade.
Mustang will continue with the V8 because it doesn't do enough V8 volume to overrun the gains that will be made by the shift to "EcoBoost" in everything else. Cars like the Verve, Focus, Fusion, Flex etc are going to get good enough fuel economy to make 30,000-40,000 V8 Mustangs immaterial. And by 2011, certain cars will have weight savings they can't achieve currently.
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Most Lincoln buyers are like most Caddy buyers. They really don't care what's under the hood as long as it provides the power then want/need.
Corvette, Camaro, Mustang, etc enthusiasts want a V8. Most would rather have a smaller V8 than a V6 even if the hp numbers were equal.
Corvette, Camaro, Mustang, etc enthusiasts want a V8. Most would rather have a smaller V8 than a V6 even if the hp numbers were equal.
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Mustang will continue with the V8 because it doesn't do enough V8 volume to overrun the gains that will be made by the shift to "EcoBoost" in everything else. Cars like the Verve, Focus, Fusion, Flex etc are going to get good enough fuel economy to make 30,000-40,000 V8 Mustangs immaterial. And by 2011, certain cars will have weight savings they can't achieve currently.
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I have a Caddy and a Camaro, and I care. I also care how many pedals they have. They have three each.
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Heck we've already determined that you're one of a kind, haven't we? 
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First, I think Cadillac is shifting it's demographic target to people like me, rather than south Florida retirees. The CTS can be had with several different performance packages and an M6 is available with every motor. The 304 hp, DI motor is the most popular choice with the CTS - outselling the base 3.6. People are choosing to go with the higher perf motor.
Regarding my car, I opted for the optional 3.6 instead of the base 2.8. I would have gotten a CTS-V, (I regret that I didn't), but I was conserving cash for a possible 5th gen Z/28 purchase.
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Couple of things....
First, I think Cadillac is shifting it's demographic target to people like me, rather than south Florida retirees. The CTS can be had with several different performance packages and an M6 is available with every motor. The 304 hp, DI motor is the most popular choice with the CTS - outselling the base 3.6. People are choosing to go with the higher perf motor.
Regarding my car, I opted for the optional 3.6 instead of the base 2.8. I would have gotten a CTS-V, (I regret that I didn't), but I was conserving cash for a possible 5th gen Z/28 purchase.
First, I think Cadillac is shifting it's demographic target to people like me, rather than south Florida retirees. The CTS can be had with several different performance packages and an M6 is available with every motor. The 304 hp, DI motor is the most popular choice with the CTS - outselling the base 3.6. People are choosing to go with the higher perf motor.
Regarding my car, I opted for the optional 3.6 instead of the base 2.8. I would have gotten a CTS-V, (I regret that I didn't), but I was conserving cash for a possible 5th gen Z/28 purchase.
Now, I wonder how the sales would be if Caddy offered the option of a 304hp DI V6 or a 304hp 5.3 liter smallblock (LS4 IIRC). I anticipate that the DI V6 would get a mile or so per gallon better than the V8, but it shouldn't be much, if any, more expensive to build the V8.
People aren't buying the 320hp STS V8 over the 302hp STS V6, and I don't think they bought the 290hp GS430 over the 303hp GS350. But you paid quite a bit more for the V8s in those cases.
My guess is that the number of people who would take the less economical V8 over an equally powerful V6 is pretty low -- low enough to make it not worth going to the expense to certify it. But I readily admit that I could have misjudged this.
