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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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Genesis coupe first drive.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...opanel..1.*#12
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 01:30 PM
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Sounds like it's a pretty nice car, although I think the outgoing Tiburon is arguably better looking (IMO) - FWD and all.... I'm not sure how much of a threat this car really is to the established ponycars, I just can't see your average Camaro or Mustang owner for example getting all hot and bothered over this car - someone with a penchant for Hyundai, maybe but I dunno. I guess I'm just saying that I don't see a tremendous amount of market share sliding into this car's domain. There will be buyers I don't doubt, but I don't think it's a game changer by any means.

I can say with complete certainty that I won't ever own one (I personally hate the rear 3/4 window and to look at it everyday, well it would just push me over the edge), but I will say that it is a nice car.
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 01:41 PM
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Front end looks terrible. Back and sides are ok. At least the right set of wheels move the car.

Genesis V6 = 3,549 pounds
Mustang V6 = 3,345 pounds
Camaro V6 = 3,737 pounds

I'll still take a Camaro RS over all others.
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 01:43 PM
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Checked it out at the LA show.

It's an alright car. Intresting interior design, materials on par with everyting else (actually, pretty good).

Thing is it doesn't do anything for me the way a Camaro, Mustang, or Challenger does. I spent way more time inside the '10 Mustang and even spent more time up on the platform combing around and through the Camaro.

For me the Genesis coupe is kind of a RWD Honda, with just a dash more attitude. I will say the projected price is very impressive. I see this car being a hit with young people who are into Asian cars & drifting were weened on the belief that Detroit cars are bad at best, dinosaurs at worse. I also see this car as pealing away alot of potential base model Mustang and Camaro buyers.

It's cheap enough that we should be seeing alot of them. Should do quite well, especially when the personalization parts network kicks in.
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 01:59 PM
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Looks quite good actually. And this is a competitor to luxury sports coupes, such as G37, not a muscle car competitor. It doesn't even have a V8 to compete with Mustangs / Camaros. I personally don't think it's in the same class.
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 02:24 PM
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It's a good car and I think for those interested in 2dr Accords or Altimas and 370Z's will have to give this car a solid look. It will get a lot of love in the drifting arena like the Nissan Silvia did.
I just don't see the cross shopping to Ford, Dodge and Chevy dealers.
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 02:39 PM
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I'm VERY interested to see what magazines say about the V6 Camaro in comparison to this car and the G37.
...very interested....
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 04:43 PM
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I'm VERY interested to see what magazines say about the V6 Camaro in comparison to this car and the G37.
...very interested....
+1.

Given the prices, I want to see the G37 go up against the SS.

The article is pretty favorable, but Edmunds is not known for criticizing imports. They say it's a lot like the G37, which is a damn nice car, country of origin be damned.

The picture of the red car at the top of the article makes it look the better than I've ever seen before. There's a hint of Maserati from that angle. I still don't like how it looks from the rear quarter though.

Quotes like this always make me laugh:
Meanwhile, the V6's large reserve of torque is always on hand to haul you fuss-free from tight turns.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand how car reviewers, who have presumably driven pretty much everything there is to drive, can still consider 266 lb-ft to be a lot, especially when it doesn't show up until 4700 rpm.
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
Front end looks terrible. Back and sides are ok. At least the right set of wheels move the car.

Genesis V6 = 3,549 pounds
Mustang V6 = 3,345 pounds
Camaro V6 = 3,737 pounds

I'll still take a Camaro RS over all others.
Edit with more info (2010 models):

Genesis V6 = 3,549 pounds, 299hp
Mustang V6 = 3,401 pounds, 210hp
Camaro V6 = 3,737 pounds, 300hp

If not for the V8 heritage and if GM had known where the market would be, designing a smaller pony car that had only enough room and heft for the DI 3.6 might have been a better bet for GM. But given the V8 heritage, even if the GM crystal ball had been operating at 100%, GM made the right decision for the Camaro.
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 06:08 PM
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand how car reviewers, who have presumably driven pretty much everything there is to drive, can still consider 266 lb-ft to be a lot, especially when it doesn't show up until 4700 rpm.
Remember that while the peak of 266 doesn't show up until 4700rpm, it could have 265 lb ft at 2500 rpm. A VVT 3.8 litre V6 should feel pretty torquey, except next to a 6.0 litre V8.
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 06:19 PM
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it could have 265 lb ft at 2500 rpm.
Could, but that would surprise me.

Originally Posted by teal98
except next to a 6.0 litre V8.
And that's exactly my point! As winter progresses, I start to feel like my 3800-powered Regal (200 lb-ft) and Bonneville (230 lb-ft) are pretty torquey.

Then Spring comes around and I get the Camaro (~400 lb-ft) and the GN (~375 lb-ft) back out again, and I remember what real torque like. Then my father-in-law gets the '70 GSX (~500 lb-ft) out, and I crap my pants.

I just think it seems like people who get to drive truly fast cars all the time wouldn't be so enamored with 266 lb-ft.
Old Jan 5, 2009 | 06:37 PM
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Could, but that would surprise me.
Me too. But it's probably a decent number like 240 or so.



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And that's exactly my point! As winter progresses, I start to feel like my 3800-powered Regal (200 lb-ft) and Bonneville (230 lb-ft) are pretty torquey.

Then Spring comes around and I get the Camaro (~400 lb-ft) and the GN (~375 lb-ft) back out again, and I remember what real torque like. Then my father-in-law gets the '70 GSX (~500 lb-ft) out, and I crap my pants.

I just think it seems like people who get to drive truly fast cars all the time wouldn't be so enamored with 266 lb-ft.
Hmm. I'd like to drive that GSX. Well, actually, a ride with the owner would be more fun. I'd be too nervous driving it, unless it was mine! What did he do to it?

I like that I'm able to drive the fun cars all winter here
Old Jan 6, 2009 | 02:01 PM
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~1/4 mile time?
Old Jan 6, 2009 | 02:26 PM
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Looks quite good actually. And this is a competitor to luxury sports coupes, such as G37, not a muscle car competitor. It doesn't even have a V8 to compete with Mustangs / Camaros. I personally don't think it's in the same class.
Most Mustang (and hopefully Camaro) sales are V6s.

This is where the Genesis coupe would be highly competitive. Those looking for a sporty coupe that packs alot of value and doesn't cost alot of money.

I can easily see them looking at the price of a Genesis coupe, then a Camaro (or even a Mustang) and choosing the Genesis.

Not everyone who buys these cars care about V8 power.

Based on what I've been hearing from those who have done actual wheel time on them, I can even see myself buying a V6 Camaro over the V8.
Old Jan 6, 2009 | 02:38 PM
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The Genesis coupe is quite a bit more appealing to me than the current Mustang or Camaro in terms of styling. I suppose I'm just not really big on retro styling.



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