Actually Josh just did. I don't know when has Chrysler ever made any sense?

 

Throwing some more at the wall eh? Anything stuck lately?

 

What have I "thrown at the wall" that hasn't been right? The Impala? That's not something I'll even throw the towel in on yet, but it's the only thing I can think of.

 

sorry didn't see that post.

 

... or they could really push the marketing on the V6 Camaro with 300 horsepower getting 29 MPG on the highway...

 

I've seen one at a dealership here. It was a V6, was on the lot a week and gone now.

 

Sounds like Josh doesn't think a Camaro should have ever been built again. Or maybe he wants the a coupe version of the 1.4L Cruze to be badged Camaro.

The world is willing to pay $100 a barrel for oil, last summer we had record setting oil production and it wasn't a problem until Sept. when the economy started falling apart quickly, then demand fell off a cliff.

 

Through the folding back seat.

Seriously, you're condemning a sports coupe to an early death based on a small trunk opening?

I admit, it's small. Here's the thing, though: the public demanded that the Camaro look as much like the concept as possible. GM accepted that as a mandate, taking it as Priority One for the Camaro project. I think we all have to admit that GM did an amazing job staying true to the concept.

The fact is that the concept's design does not allow for a larger trunk opening. When the concept came out, nobody was clamoring for a large trunk opening. We (the Camaro enthusiast community) spoke, the Disciples spoke, and GM listened.

The same is true of the limited rearward visibility.

I admit, these are weak points on the car. But, having driven one this past Saturday, I can assure you all that those two things are the Camaro's only noteworthy weak points. How many cars can you name with so few things to gripe about? Now, narrow that list to exclude all cars that fall short of Camaro in the styling or performance departments.

To anyone upset about this, I ask you the following: if having a large trunk opening and great rearward visibility are of significantly higher priority to you than performance and styling, then why are you considering a Camaro?

 

You drove around in a Camaro for 20 minutes. Of course you're excited about the car, you had a quick and exciting encounter with a car you've been waiting years for.

To answer your question - that's the point. People WON'T consider the Camaro because of the aforementioned shortcomings of the car. I'm not taking anything away from the looks of the Camaro. It's a nice car. It's sharp.

My friend purchased a black RS with red racing stripes. Another neighbor has a black SS. It's a SHARP car. BUT, it's not a car that will sell 100,000 units in the United States because of its immense short comings.

I've said my "piece" and have expressed my views and I'll leave them at that.

 

Wow, this is perhaps the most laughable thing I've read ever concerning why a car will fail.

Yes, Camaro, or any car in Camaros market segment for that matter, will fail because of the size of it's trunk opening.

No, it's not the best 'feature' in the world... in fact, I'll even admit it is a drawback to the car.... but to think it will doom the car to a quick death... it's laughable. Just laughable.

This car has so much else going for it that easily overcome this shortcoming.

Wow. Just amazing.


And basing the dismisal of JakeRobb's opinion based on 'twenty minutes of driving' by someone who apparently doesn't own one either further degrades the whole premise. If you infact own one, Josh... I will gladly stand corrected on this point.


The only way Camaro is "done by 2011" is is General Motors itself is completely gone. I'd be willing to wager just about anything on this.

 

FWIW, when I looked at and drove the Orange RS/SS my CFO purchased over a month ago, we popped the trunk, because he brought some parts over for another project... when we opened the trunk, I didn't even notice anything.

It was a complete and utter non-issue for me seeing it in person, so much so that I never even noticed.... this with no pre-conseptions of this supposed attrocity, nothing stood out......

 

Rol your eyes all you want, but the GTO trunk is generally always mentioned as a big shortcoming of the car. The camaro trunk might be a little bigger, but the small opening makes it effectively smaller sinceit will be impossible to pack tight unless everything is in small soft bags.

Maybe it's not total doom, but if you think people don't care about the trunk on their car, you are high.

Like what, small back seats? Low headroom? Blind spots that will hide a dump truck? Mandatory huge wheels with expensive rubber?

Wait until the new-ness wears off to the press and the camaro is losing comparos based upon such mundane criteria as the above. Most horsepower per dollar, high style and limited functionality.

 

I don't think the car will be "done" by '11, but it's not gonna sell 100K units either. No way.

I also don't think the trunk opening is necessarily a poison pill for this car's popularity, but add the trunk issue with one or two or three other things which a consumer might find objectionable, and it adds up.

I hope the 5th gen does well, but I'm glad it's replacement is already in the pipeline.

 

i did. i even posted a pic of the mustangs trunk as a comparison.

 

Because you aren't a nuthugger...unless you hug the nuts, you're automatically a hater around here these days. While super83z and I go way back (to TGO, actually), I gotta say the sarcastic "big" comments he keeps interjecting in every post are getting quite old. The car is bigger...it is heavier. God forbid anyone pointed that out

While I DO think Josh is being a little mellow-dramatic over the trunk and saying the car is "done by '11," Charlie made the point I have as well...have 2-3 serious objections with a purchase, and someone will not buy. I haven't bought yet because of the dash and the lack of a TRUE open-air option, e.g. t-tops/targa.

Those 2 points alone keep me from spending 32k on an ordered 1SS. As for the comment about the Mustang/Camaro being the ONLY domestic options? I think the Challenger team would beg to differ I have an R/T Classic in B5 Blue on order. When it comes in, I'm driving it DIRECTLY to my local Chevy dealer and getting a test drive in an SS.

When the two are back-to-back, then I can decide...