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General Motors Says Orders for Camaro Sports Cars Outrun Supply

Old Jul 1, 2009 | 09:30 PM
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Heads suck, cams suck, but it ends there. There's guys on TGO making 350hp with a tuned GM ECM and 454 injectors
Yeah, one guy after a million years. I rememeber (IIRC anyway) the first 12 secon TBI car on TGO back in the day. Guy got exposed as having basically a stock eliminator setup under that TBI, all blueprinted and everything, with the TBI on it.

I'd suspect this guy has gone to similar lengths. Even if he hasn't, so what, most TBI guys ran 14s even after heads and cam. I remember pablo back in the day fighting with mid 14s. He finally slapped a carb on it and ran low low 13s.

The internet is full of myths and deception. So is real life. Like, i had a friend with a chevelle that used to clean up with it's "350" that was a really sweet 400 with a mild cam and a quiet exhaust.
Old Jul 1, 2009 | 09:41 PM
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Nice car Korry.

If I had an L03 I'd craft a ram air system out of a TPI "Y" airbox like this:



I'd also install a 3" exhaust from an LB9/L98 and call it a day.


Of course, my engine compartment would NEVER be that dirty.

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Old Jul 2, 2009 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Honestly guys, I figured there'd be more orders for the Camaro by now. Considering all the hoopla surrounding this car, the fact that pre-orders started 10 months ago, and the years worth of pent up demand. Seems to me, demand is outstripping supply because of Oshawa's production pace. Nevertheless, stories like this hit the mainstream press, and on the surface that's probably good for the Camaro's image.
Back on topic:

So you don't think 25K orders at or above MSRP for a car made by a bankrupt car maker is impressive? Even given our economy?
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 07:44 AM
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as far as the trunk size of the new camaro as much as i like the car, its nuts. i think the camaro was more practical as a hatchback like the 3rd and 4th gens. i like the new car, but if i were to buy a new camaro, i dont know if i would be able to live with the trunk. maybe its another reason why the new camaro doesnt have t tops, lol. they would never fit in the trunk. i still love the 3rd and 4th gens. 3rd gens are great cars and can be had for cheap, they are a good handling car that can be made reasonabily quick for little money. if you grew up in the 80's they can also have a nostalgic value. i grew up the with 3rd gen camaro, in fact it pisses me off to see them on the "cash for clunkers" list.

not saying its not a nice car or well done, its very well done and looks sharp. i just think as a daily driver a third or fourth gen is easier to live with.
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 07:58 AM
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Nice car Korry.
Thanks, that was my first new car at age 19. Looking at those pictures again reminds me of how much I liked the car (except for that engine) and it's styling (except for those wheels).

18 years have passed and I still have the occasional dream where that car and my current car are both in the driveway. Wouldn't be a bad thing in today's economy, really. I had several long highway trips with the red car that exceeded 30 mpg.

Still, my '96 has provided much more entertainment over the years in ways the '91 just couldn't have (at least without a motor swap).

Including this weekend. I'm leaving with it / towing to northern Indiana in just a few hours.

Then...


Now...
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by super83Z
Back on topic:

So you don't think 25K orders at or above MSRP for a car made by a bankrupt car maker is impressive? Even given our economy?

Just saying, that at this stage of the game, I would have predicted more orders.
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 08:40 AM
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Now...

Car looks badass. Good luck!
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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Back in high school, I had two friends with 91 Formula Firebirds. One had a TPI 305, the other the TBI 305. The TBI guy was pretty pissed when I explained to him why his engine sucked *** compared to the TPI setup.

I had fond memories of the TPI 305 Firebird.

Staying on topic, I still think its too early to make assesments of the 5th gen's success. Given the economy, state of the auto industry, I'd like to see what the first year's total sales are. I did read somewhere that Camaro outsold Mustang for June. First time in forever that that has happened.
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
and for afew more bucks over the V6, got you into a V8.
$358 bucks as I recall on our '92.
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 02:05 PM
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Over at Camaro5.com there is a rumor of a Buick 3800 motor for the Camaro in the works...

Buick 3800 Motor for the Camaro?

There’s a rumor floating about that there’s potentially the development of another engine to go into the Camaro, based on the Buick 3800 V6 Motor, and which is not naturally aspirated (which means a supercharged or turbo version). We’re not sure what to make of this, so take it with a grain of salt, but stay tuned for any future info.
http://www.camaro5.com/?p=1427
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 95redLT1
Over at Camaro5.com there is a rumor of a Buick 3800 motor for the Camaro in the works...


http://www.camaro5.com/?p=1427
Since production of the 3800 ended nearly a year ago (August 2008) I highly doubt that.
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 03:26 PM
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Since production of the 3800 ended nearly a year ago (August 2008) I highly doubt that.
Yeah, I wouldn't put much faith in that rumour.

Recall that at one time there was a 3.8 litre variant of the HFV6 being planned ... maybe someone got some messages crossed here.
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Chewbacca
Then...


Now...

Looks great. Reminds me of my '97 Z.
From the pics it looks like she retains at least some of the origional red accent interior that I was a fan of.

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Old Jul 4, 2009 | 03:26 PM
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I have only seen 2 Camaros so far. one @ our local dealership and it was gone in just 2 days and one on the I-5 freeway. I was geting scared that they werent selling until I read this thread. I wish I could afford one.
Old Jul 4, 2009 | 04:36 PM
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On the topic of having a available "base V8".....

There are those who won't buy a V6 Camaro. It could have 500hp and get 30+ MPG and it wouldn't matter because it's still a V6 and SOUNDS like a V6. The engine's SOUND is part of the whole driving experience, so much so that Ford went to great lengths to channel the V8 sound inside the car on their Mustang GT.
One can get a 315hp V8 Mustang for about $28-29k, and they'll sell all they can build despite the fact you can now get a 304hp V6 Camaro for much less. The best someone who wants a "base V8" Camaro can do is a "stripped" 1SS which runs somewhere around $32k, when one can get a V8 Mustang for around $3-4k less. That difference is where Camaro will lose sales to the Mustang - even if the Camaro has more "bells and whistles" and is a more "refined" car.
Maybe GM could figure out how to make their V6 sound like a V8 , along with offering the brakes/suspension of the SS; I'm sure that could be done pretty easily.
FWIW, I previously owned a '91 Camaro RS with the LO3 305 TBI and a 5 speed, black interior/gray interior with T-Tops. It had the Z28 wheels/suspension, which made it a great driving/handling car. There's no denying that it was a slow, 16-flat car in the 1/4 mile, but even with the stock exhaust, that engine sounded great - especially at idle. Overall, it remains one of the most fun cars I've ever driven and I'd take it over the new V6 Camaro any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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