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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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Not GM's fault its the supplier..Just ask Toyota on thier policy of blame..

At least GM took the blame..maybe this is how Toyota people feel..this did not worry me to much since there has been so much good stuff comming out with GM recently..hmmm..
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 05:28 PM
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What is surprising to me, is that this did not happen sooner.
Yea, like, 10 years ago. Leaky pinion seals have long been part of the GM ownership experience.

I seriously doubt that this would have triggered a recall were it not for the accidents. I'll also confess that I'm a bit surprised that enough fluid loss can occur to cause the axle to lock up.
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 05:46 PM
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What is surprising to me, is that this did not happen sooner. There are a handful of Solstice owners that I know of whom have had their car lemon lawed because of this. GM had to buy their Sol back due to the issue happening so many times.

I've had my seal replaced once. I took it back because I needed it again but the dealer said it was fine.

Ok I said. If I blow my rear anytime soon, it's on them to replace the differential, since they seem to think it's ok.
Because lemons are accidents that happened to one car a recall happened to every car. Business is business.

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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 05:48 PM
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Yea, like, 10 years ago. Leaky pinion seals have long been part of the GM ownership experience.

I seriously doubt that this would have triggered a recall were it not for the accidents. I'll also confess that I'm a bit surprised that enough fluid loss can occur to cause the axle to lock up.
Is that what is happening, or are teeth breaking and getting wedged between others?
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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so does that mean we can expect similar notices for our f-bodies? i think mine is leaking yet again...
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 06:26 PM
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so does that mean we can expect similar notices for our f-bodies? i think mine is leaking yet again...
I've only repaired mine four times in 12 years.
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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Interesting. CTS owners have been complaining of leaking pinion seals pretty much from the beginning, so maybe this 'unauthorized change' was an attempt to improve it.
It was probably more like and unauthorized change to save the said supplier money , or it could go as deep as their material supplier not conforming to the cert . Typically "unauthorized" changes are made to save a buck because GM(or any OEM for that matter) would never have approved such a change . Wether it be the teir 1 supplier of the seal or their supplier or the material supplier not complying to material certs .....somebodys gonna have one hell of issue to deal with . An issue like this would cripple my teir 2 company if we ever cut corners and there was a large scale failure . The fines are MASSIVE .
Old Dec 21, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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it made the 6 oclock news..
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 90 Z28SS
It was probably more like and unauthorized change to save the said supplier money , or it could go as deep as their material supplier not conforming to the cert . Typically "unauthorized" changes are made to save a buck because GM(or any OEM for that matter) would never have approved such a change . Wether it be the teir 1 supplier of the seal or their supplier or the material supplier not complying to material certs .....somebodys gonna have one hell of issue to deal with . An issue like this would cripple my teir 2 company if we ever cut corners and there was a large scale failure . The fines are MASSIVE .
I understand what constitutes an unauthorized changed. I'm just saying that by 2005 everyone involved down to the seal supplier would have been aware there's a problem with leaks, and perhaps someone in that chain tried to quietly improve the situation. If they knew this was already a problem area, I find it hard to believe they'd choose *that* component to try to save a few pennies. In general I try not to automatically think a supplier's motives are always bad.
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 09:29 AM
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In general I try not to automatically think a supplier's motives are always bad.
That's a rare attitude in the automotive world

In this particular case, I'm a bit mystified as to why the supplier would perform an un-notified change in an attempt to fix a known problem. That sort of thing happens all the time in an attempt to save some money, but if the spotlight is already on a particular component because of warranty issues, it'd be suicidal to change anything about that part without permission.
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 10:34 AM
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Having experienced a "seized diff" at 70 MPH, I can emphatically state that is is not an experience I wish on anyone.




Mine happened shortly AFTER a leaking pinion seal was replaced.
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by poSSum
Having experienced a "seized diff" at 70 MPH, I can emphatically state that is is not an experience I wish on anyone.


IMG....

Mine happened shortly AFTER a leaking pinion seal was replaced.
Are they losing fluid that fast, or could that have been an install problem since it was just replaced?
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 10:45 AM
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Are they losing fluid that fast, or could that have been an install problem since it was just replaced?
It happened with the Camaro and I'm inclined to believe it was an assembly error on the part of the technician that did the pinion seal replacement. There was lots of fluid in it when it seized.

It's the experience of having it happen that I was commenting on.
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by poSSum
It happened with the Camaro and I'm inclined to believe it was an assembly error on the part of the technician that did the pinion seal replacement. There was lots of fluid in it when it seized.

It's the experience of having it happen that I was commenting on.
Ahh ok, misunderstood
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by poSSum
It happened with the Camaro and I'm inclined to believe it was an assembly error on the part of the technician that did the pinion seal replacement. There was lots of fluid in it when it seized.
A safe guess would be that the pinion nut was overtightened. If the nut is tightened with the diff carrier still in the vehicle, it's tough to measure or "feel" if the pinion bearing preload is correct.

It's the experience of having it happen that I was commenting on.
That does not look fun.



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