G8 ST Dead
01-06-2009, 05:36 PM
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I'm still confused as to why GM went with the 5.3L V8 for the AFM-truck version and not the more efficient but almost as torquey 4.8L V8.
01-06-2009, 07:23 PM
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I'm not a fan of El Caminos. While I'm sure the vehicle has its utility, they have more of a "mullet" reputation than Camaros do ("Earl" anyone?)
I'm personally glad the G8 will not have to be associated with that sterotype.
I'm personally glad the G8 will not have to be associated with that sterotype.
01-06-2009, 07:31 PM
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If GM wants trucks that are more CAFE positive, they need to start pushing the V6s as the everyman's trucks and save the V8s for the highend/high content luxury trucks/suvs.
I'm still confused as to why GM went with the 5.3L V8 for the AFM-truck version and not the more efficient but almost as torquey 4.8L V8.
I'm still confused as to why GM went with the 5.3L V8 for the AFM-truck version and not the more efficient but almost as torquey 4.8L V8.
01-06-2009, 07:55 PM
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01-06-2009, 08:15 PM
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If GM wants trucks that are more CAFE positive, they need to start pushing the V6s as the everyman's trucks and save the V8s for the highend/high content luxury trucks/suvs.
I'm still confused as to why GM went with the 5.3L V8 for the AFM-truck version and not the more efficient but almost as torquey 4.8L V8.
I'm still confused as to why GM went with the 5.3L V8 for the AFM-truck version and not the more efficient but almost as torquey 4.8L V8.
I do not think the cafe standards will ever change peoples desire for fast, torquey and large vehicles but just make them more expensive to obtain.
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01-06-2009, 09:31 PM
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Well...I think most of it is they did not want to spend the money to market another vehicle with such low marging. I mean in a company where you are conserving light bulbs..I am certain the cost of marketing a car, printing the brochures and literature, crash testing, press fleet, etc is what has killed it. Especialy in a time when anything cool with a V8 seems irresponsible given the money they just took from the government.
I think from the beginning the G8 should have been lauched all at once as a "line" of vehicles (sedan, coupe, wagon, and truck) under one name. Kinda like how you can get a 5 series in a bunch of flavors..each one though is a "5 series"..not treated as an individual model, Then all the launch costs would have happened at once, and you could shift the product mix to what was selling rather than have G8 sedans piled on lots.
I think from the beginning the G8 should have been lauched all at once as a "line" of vehicles (sedan, coupe, wagon, and truck) under one name. Kinda like how you can get a 5 series in a bunch of flavors..each one though is a "5 series"..not treated as an individual model, Then all the launch costs would have happened at once, and you could shift the product mix to what was selling rather than have G8 sedans piled on lots.
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01-06-2009, 09:35 PM
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Well...I think most of it is they did not want to spend the money to market another vehicle with such low marging. I mean in a company where you are conserving light bulbs..I am certain the cost of marketing a car, printing the brochures and literature, crash testing, press fleet, etc is what has killed it. Especialy in a time when anything cool with a V8 seems irresponsible given the money they just took from the government.
I think from the beginning the G8 should have been lauched all at once as a "line" of vehicles (sedan, coupe, wagon, and truck) under one name. Kinda like how you can get a 5 series in a bunch of flavors..each one though is a "5 series"..not treated as an individual model, Then all the launch costs would have happened at once, and you could product what people wanted instead of having G8 sedans piled on lots.
I think from the beginning the G8 should have been lauched all at once as a "line" of vehicles (sedan, coupe, wagon, and truck) under one name. Kinda like how you can get a 5 series in a bunch of flavors..each one though is a "5 series"..not treated as an individual model, Then all the launch costs would have happened at once, and you could product what people wanted instead of having G8 sedans piled on lots.
Again, too logical for GM.
01-07-2009, 01:58 AM
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If GM wants trucks that are more CAFE positive, they need to start pushing the V6s as the everyman's trucks and save the V8s for the highend/high content luxury trucks/suvs.
I'm still confused as to why GM went with the 5.3L V8 for the AFM-truck version and not the more efficient but almost as torquey 4.8L V8.
I'm still confused as to why GM went with the 5.3L V8 for the AFM-truck version and not the more efficient but almost as torquey 4.8L V8.
I'm wondering if the trucks will ever get a V6 based on the LSx or if one of the modern OHC V6s will be used?
01-07-2009, 02:24 AM
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That sucks I thought it was an interesting niche vehicle that only GM (Pontiac) would have had. My father was also giving it some thought as his Dakota has to be turned in later this year.
But these are trying times for GM and things will get worse once a Car Czar is assigned as non bread and butter vehicles will face some harsh scrutiny if taxpayer dollars are needed to keep GM open.
I agree with formula79 in that if Pontiac gets scaled down it should have had a full line of G8 coupe, sedan, wagon and ST. Keep the Solstice and call it a day.
But these are trying times for GM and things will get worse once a Car Czar is assigned as non bread and butter vehicles will face some harsh scrutiny if taxpayer dollars are needed to keep GM open.
I agree with formula79 in that if Pontiac gets scaled down it should have had a full line of G8 coupe, sedan, wagon and ST. Keep the Solstice and call it a day.
01-07-2009, 07:01 AM
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Given our $AUD is around 0.65 US, I'm very, very disappointed with GM's decision... but not totally surprised given what could have been with the RWD architecture they happen to own... but won't utilize.
01-07-2009, 07:15 AM
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Is this really a shock to anybody here? Considering all the things that have been slashed because they weren't projected to sell enough units, I wasn't too hopeful of the G8 ST ever getting off the ground and being sold here.
01-07-2009, 08:10 AM
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I think from the beginning the G8 should have been lauched all at once as a "line" of vehicles (sedan, coupe, wagon, and truck) under one name. Kinda like how you can get a 5 series in a bunch of flavors..each one though is a "5 series"..not treated as an individual model, Then all the launch costs would have happened at once, and you could shift the product mix to what was selling rather than have G8 sedans piled on lots.
