Again, just for STOCK1SC:

 

IMO I can see where Stock is coming from. As an example, the new 5.0's TiVCT (dang to many letters - did I get that right ) varriable timing system wasn't developed by Ford, its the intellectual property of Borg Warner (I guess Ford just liscence's the technology). Same with the M122 supercharger on the GT500, its manufacturered by Eaton.

Ultimately Ford didn't just say; "Yeah I'll take that and give me whatever tune ya got that wont melt the valves" The prodct they signed off on bears their name and has to meet thier durability and quality requirements so its not really different than the VVT system and supercharger for the GT500 I mentioned above.

On an unrelated note, if anybody wants to stir up a real hornets nest, just get into a discussion and C&P the FRPP's article on why you should get an FRPP tune with an aftermerket tuner in the thread Yeah, there is a whole lotta "Ford is full of $h1t" being slung around

 

Well if you want to play that game, Ford doesn't make the radios, speakers, airbags, tires, rims, steel, carpet, paint, etc....but they make sure everything works in harmony and meets their specifications.

 

Offence is normal when someone talks down to something one's enthusiastic about.

While the Caliber's SRT4 engine certainly does produce the horsepower, the rest of the the package, simply put, when compared to the Neon, simply put, are big steps backward.

The thing about Neon was that it was completely accepted in "Tuner" circles. A group that as a whole are very much against traditional American cars. These are young guys who grew up driving Japaneese imports and swear by high revving, multicam, pressureized engines.

The Dodge Neon cracked that group, and sold in relatively large numbers.

The Dodge Caliber.... well.... as you point out yourself.... it simply doesn't sell ("They haven't even cracked the PCM on this car due to low production volume"). There was no shortage of parts or code cracking on the Neon. I don't go by rumors when it comes to someone's vehicle, so I'll dismiss the "rumored over 600 hp" line.

I do have a lot of respect for the engine though. It is very much the same engine that Mitsubishi uses in their Evo (it was a joint developed engine between Chrysler, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai). Yes, the turbo 4 in the Geneisis coupe is similar to that both Chrysler and Mitsubishi. It also has the potential of the Evo and SRT4 engines, but in a RWD vehicle.

Neon was a spirted, a little offbeat, fun to drive (even in base form) and successful sedan that Chrysler replaced with a bulky and questionable looking small crossover in an effort to keep on selling V10 Rams without dragging the CAFE numbers of their truck line into the dirt (like the HHR, the EPA considers the Caliber a truck for this purpose).

Yes, I give the Caliber's engine very high performance props.

But a Caliber SRT4 next to the Neon SRT4 and the Chevrolet Cobalt SS.... well.... you get the picture.

 

Yeah, and? They warranty those items. They don't warranty the high output blower kit because it's a time bomb and Ford knows it, thus, no warranty.

 

They've never warrantied the high output kit.

Even the 500hp 4.6 3v kit wasn't warrantied, only the 400hp non-ic setup was.

The 500hp is not a bomb on the 4.6, and Ford has done EXTENSIVE testing on the FRPP/Whipple kit. 625 doesn't mean bomb either, just because a warranty isn't given.

 

10psi with hypereutectic pistons at 11.1 compression and 93 octane certainly does. Why else wouldn't they warranty it? They know that the kit is beyond the design limits of the engine and that the failure rate is going to be high.

 

Really? Then why would they make it available? How stupid would it be to blow up YOUR customers engines intentionally???

 

It would be a damn nice kit if you changed pistons and ring gaps. Some people see that as way too much trouble.

 

That cost is not very much comparatively. Why not just include it in the kit if it was needed and charge a few hundred more?

 

SILLY them...and for shame.

In that case I'm surprised they didn't release the 15psi kit with 700hp

Why didn't Ford warranty the 500hp kit for the 3v either?
It's a perfectly acceptable and safe limit for that cars setup.
I see the 5L no differently, only with one HUGE difference.
The software/monitoring setup on the 2011 is a DRASTIC change and has more techno watchdogs than any other Mustang before it.
Canned tune would be safe...start messing with it...all bets are off.

 

Dont forget that the 5.0 benefits from a few things; oil cooled pistons, near DI like intake charge cooling, pent-roof combustion chamber (read hemi) with a centrally located plug, robust coolant flow in the cylinderheads, all aluminum construction, and a small bore to name some obvious stuff which goes a good way toward helping to stave off detonation.

 

Why make it avaiable? Profit.

Ford would be stupid to blow up a customer's engine intentionally. But because the kit is not warrantied, the responsibility would fall on the customer, not Ford.

Again, can anybody else offer up a better reason why Ford doesn't warranty the higher output kits?

 

I said it before.. I am going to say it again... its a great time to be a FORD FAN. I am not jumping ship but I want to see some stuff like this coming from GM. Stuff to get all warm and fuzzy inside.