you act as if GM hasn't had similar problems that have gone unreported


damned media bias, they never did break into programming for the saturn vue CVT, or even the suspension failures at 45mph causing accidents and/or rollovers in that same vehicle.

 

Suspension failure in the Vue. I belive that was only during a new extremely severe rollover test, called the 'J hook' or something similar. BTW all Vues after that test were given the redesigned Equinox rear suspension and all previously manufactured ones were recalled.

 

your right, it wouldn't be a problem if the driver didn't have to be in the situation of needing to take evasive action in the first place, just like it wouldn't be a problem if they didn't idle for 2+ hours and cause their mazda van to burst into flames



i think this thread has successfully turned to crap, like all "media bias" bitching and moaning threads do.

 

Well if your Vue had a bonnet you could just hit the poor fellow and spring him up into the stratosphere, but at least you wouldn't have to maneuver erratically because of your pedestrian safety device...

 

just think, they could have advertised the mazda van as having a built in grill. stuck in traffic? hungry? just put her in idle and break out the hotdogs! don't forget to cook enough for the fire fighters when they arrive!

 

With all do respect, you come into a thread like this, and complain about how "junky" they are, yet you are the most frequent poster other than the originator of the thread.
Doug Harden has 12 posts (he defended his position and answered all questions aimed at him from everyone else)
You are second with 8 posts in this thread so far, and in 6 of those 8, you are griping, grumbling, whining, or sniveling about something - bringing no facts, evidence, references, or anything substantive to the conversation at hand.
EVOK is third most frequent poster with a distant 5 - and at least he and Doug were conversing somewhat on topic, not just whining.

While I respect your opinion supporting "foreign brand supremacy", and everyone has a right to post whatever they feel, would you please let go of the media bias subterfuge and senseless pandemic rhetoric that you have spewed for weeks now? You are the most profound protester of threads like this, yet you are the most frequent poster, and you post the most senseless garbage when you do, not bringing any facts or sustantive value to the conversation at all.

Some of the more significant contributions to this thread...
I am not trying to run you off, insult you, flame you, or even offend you in any way - I actually agree with many of your points in other threads, and respect your opinions whether we agree or not.
I'm just trying to point out to you, that your actions and your thoughts are hypocritical when it comes to discussions of recalls, design issues, and the "media bias" thing.
If you want things to change, you yourself can help these threads be more "mature" by bringing sound/reasonable discussion, facts, or references to the discussion instead of "spouting off".

I apologize in advance if I have offended you - that was not the intent.

In some strange way, I do feel that I (and others) owe Doug a small apology for hijacking his original thread and topic, and turning it into some shoot-fest between Corvette recalls and Toyota.
Sorry Doug - your point was made, and well-taken. I think you know my position on things of this nature - hence my long post about the ongoing troubles with another import company that has gone on for 3-4 years, affects millions of cars, has already resulted in death and injury, yet nobody knows anything about it, and the news doesn't seem to care about it either. But that wouldn't be media bias - it's probably a by-product of Six-Sigma manufacturing technique and superior engineering capability.

 

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the media bias thing either. What would ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX/NYT/LATIMES/etc have to gain by bringing down GM/Ford whilst essentially promoting foreign brands?

I also believe this would have been much better covered if it had involved tens of thousands of vehicles vice 2700 - regardless of the brand.

 

NYT needs to be removed from that list. I think they are all part of a secret Anti-US Al Qaeda "Honorary" organization...

 

Ditto! From what I understand, only 2000 vehicles were in drivers hands, with the other 700 pulled from dealer lots. With all the hurricane news lately, I can see where a story this small would get lost in the shuffle.

 

Bob,
I don't think there is some specific agenda behind their actions intended to harm domestics or promote imports. They don't have any direct gain from doing corporate injustice to anyone, but they DO GAIN viewers, newspaper sales, and magazine sales when they drop headlines that start with FORD or GM and RECALL.

Why must the networks continue to broadcast day after day that another 13 people died in Iraqi car bombings?
Why must they continue to show pictures of homes flooded by Katrina?
Why must they continue to show car wrecks and highway traffic accidents?
BECAUSE IT SELLS.

It seems that it has become "fad" since the 1990s to bash on domestics and praise imports - whether justified or not. It's kinda like McCarthyism was in the '50s - it's just "happening".

To me, there is no other reason except the grab for viewers/sales, and like Don Henley pointed out in his song - "People love it when there's pain, they love dirty laundry...".
What bothers me about it all, is that it exposes the media for unfair and unequal treatment and reporting - they report what sells, not always what is fact.

 

Just occurs to me...
The Ford GT had FAR less than 2700 vehicles complete, no wrecks, no injuries, no deaths, and initiated a VOLUNTARY recall to fix the A-arms with ultra-red-carpet service - but they got aired on the networks and made the news in every car rag out there.

So much for the low-volume theory.

 

damn, that was long.

make that 9 now

 

it was also a high visibility "top of the line" flagship vehicle that cost quite a pretty penny.

 

Yah, but that was a 150,000 dollar supercar, and a halo car for the company, slight difference.

I'm not saying there is no media bias, but I don't think that's a fair example.

Also, I still can't find where it says how serious the fires are. I mean any fire is serious, but some people have been saying the cars are exploding and bursting into flames etc. etc. where it might just be the stuff burning off the muffler and not anything else that's burning, does anyone know for sure?

 

So do the SLK/CLK Benzes... where are their reports in the news?
ANYTHING AMG is gonna hit the wallet hard - anybody hear of their MB-based quality problems? ...headlining in the news no less?!?!

Sorry guys - It still doesn't fly with me.

Like I said... FAIR, EQUAL, UNBIASED REPORTING.
Your arguments insinuate that the media would push harder to tout the failings of an expensive car over a cheaper one simply because it costs so much - that's not fair and equitable reporting.

Lastly, out of 92-million Americans that could possibly see the news report, no more than 200 could have been affected by the Ford GT recall by Ford's own account (192 exactly if IIRC)... so where's the need for the story? Not in the "best-interest of the general public at large" - that's for sure.
The need is more like "ratings, popularity, and water-cooler buzz".
THAT to me is not good/fair journalism by any standard.