True. But Doug's point is that this Mazda 5 deal was not on the news much, if at all. As 97z28/m6 pointed out, there was plenty of attention given to the Trailblazer recall (as there should have been).

 

Sorry. Fire is a much worse safety sin in my book. If you are at home sleeping with your family at 3 AM and suddenly find out your new vehicle caught fire while you were asleep (BTW this was also happening with BMW's not too long ago)... that ruins not just your day but your family, your life and your house to boot.

 

Uh, so a company based in Japan with a significant controlling interest by Ford has a problem with the Mazda 5, a car that shares quite a few components with the Ford parts bin and engineering team, and has a problem that recalls the first 2700 cars released due to the potential of starting a fire and you expect to see it on every major news site out there?

Quick search reveals 34 unique sources for the article of the sources that google news monitors.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...nG=Search+News

How many Aveos had to be recalled for the wheels falling off on the highway? I could have sworn it was ALL of them.

 

WTF does their affiliation with Ford have ANYTHING to do with the point of this thread? Other than to divert attention away from the fact that using your own link...only5...yes five of the links shown in the Google search had anything to do with this recall. Much less the fact that such news giants as Newinferno.com were some of the coverage.

BTW, one source had the number at 5,500 instead of 2,700.

If you're going to use a weaksauce argument as this, you might want to actually read your own links.

My point is that the real new sites....i.e. MSNBC.com, CNN.com, ABCNews.com, CBSnews.com, Foxnews.com, etc.....had any coverage whatsoever.

YES, ALL manufacturers have recalls, but they are NOT covered with the same zeal as the domestics are always front page news.

Imagine if the first 1,000 Solstice's were recalled because Pontiac was too stupid to know that you can't use a pertoleum based undercoating above the catalytic convertor due to the fact that it will melt then drip and catch fire.

Pontiac's image would have been damaged beyond repair...but hey, it was Mazda...oops is all we get.

 

don't forget that little detail where all corvettes from 1997 - 2004 had to be recalled due to the potential for the steering wheel locking up at speed.

sure did miss that headline on the NBC nightly news ... damned media bias.

 

Some of you trolls need to work on fact finding.

The C5 recall was for steering column lock when you tried to start the car....not at speed... ...but I suppose that made your weak attempt at slamming GM sound more exciting.....

If you knew anything about the recall or the actual design you'd have known that the problem lies in the motor that retracts the lock pin when the key is turned to start...and re-inserts it when the key is removed. The problem is wear on the lock plate and the sticking of the pin on movement.

Yes, it's a problem, but no, it can't happen at speed.....

 

That was pretty bad. Just some quotes from your search findings.

"494,000 helmets are affected by the recall"
"... designed to help manufacturers minimize the liability of a product recall"
"But Hashimi did recall an incident in April 2003 - three months before the shooting "
"European look that's designed to recall its famous ..."
"Car fans may recall that ancient names have always been popular"
"August 26, 2005; Japan Today reported that Mazda Motor Corp said Thursday it will recall about 81,000 vehicles in seven models"

 

LOL! Whew! That was some heavy, thorough research by that chap now wasn't it...

 

I'm still trying to decipher why he's not banned yet??

 

Bwah hah hahah.

I am getting sick of these stupid recall arguements, buot this was a pretty stupid thing to source in an attempt for validate an arguement. No real way to save face after that.

 

ehh whatever. i was just going by what the NHTSA said in the official recall.


ok, back to bitching and moaning about why NBC isn't breaking into programming for a recall of 2000 units.

 

Another graduate of the redzed school of subterfuge debate.......

No-one asked that a national emergengy be declared because of 2,700 to 5,000 rolling fire bombs needing to be recalled......just asking for a level playing field, that's all.

 

Wrong, it was at speed. Take a look at NHTSA's public files.

NHTSA Action Number: EA02031
Summary:
IN 2001, GENERAL MOTORS (GM) ISSUED CUSTOMER SERVICE CAMPAIGNS 1044 AND 1044A TO ADDRESS A CONDITION WHERE THE STEERING COLUMN WOULD FAIL TO UNLOCK DURING THE INITIAL KEY-IN AND START-UP IN CERTAIN MY 1998-2000 CORVETTE VEHICLES. HOWEVER, ODI CONTINUED TO RECEIVE COMPLAINTS CONCERNING STEERING COLUMN LOCKUP ON CORVETTE VEHICLES. AS A RESULT, PE02-054 WAS OPENED AND LATER UPGRADED TO EA02-031 FOR MY 1997-2001 SUBJECT VEHICLES. ODI'S ANALYSIS IDENTIFIED CONCERNS WITH POST-REPAIR FAILURES IN VEHICLES SERVICED THROUGH THE CAMPAIGNS, AS WELL AS, FAILURES IN MY 1997-2003 SUBJECT VEHICLES NOT INCLUDED IN THE CAMPAIGNS. (NOTE: THE MANUFACTURER FAILURE DATA ABOVE IS LIMITED TO MY 1997-2003 VEHICLES THROUGH 10/17/2003.) ON FEBRUARY 6, 2004, GM NOTIFIED NHTSA OF A SAFETY DEFECT IN MY 1997-2004 CORVETTE VEHCLES EQUIPPED WITH MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS AND MY 1997-2000 CORVETTE VEHICLES WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS. THE NOTIFICATION STATED THAT IF THE VOLTAGE AT THE POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM), WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO SHUT DOWN THE FUEL SUPPLY WHEN THE STEERING COLUMN FAILED TO UNLOCK AND THE CUSTOMER TRIED TO DRIVE THE VEHICLE, IS LOW OR INTERRUPTED, THE FUEL SHUT OFF MAY NOT OCCUR. AS A RESULT, THE CUSTOMER COULD DRIVE THE VEHICLE WHILE THE STEERING COLUMN WAS LOCKED CAUSING THE DRIVER TO LOSE STEERING CONTROL AND POSSIBLY CRASH WITHOUT WARNING. GM WILL INSTRUCT OWNERS TO BRING THEIR VEHICLES TO A DEALER TO HAVE THE PCM REPROGRAMMED FOR MANUAL TRANSMISSION VEHICLES AND THE ELECTRIC COLUMN LOCK DISABLED FOR AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION VEHICLES. ODI WILL MONITOR THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE REMEDY IN THE MANUAL TRANSMISSION VEHICLES AND TAKE FURTHER ACTION IF WARRANTED.

 

Wrong again....the only mention of driving is that should a customer drive off without having the lock disengage, then there would obviously be a problem.

This problem is only present when the key is being engaged or disengaged.......otherwise there is no call for the lock motor to operate.

In fact they state that the only way to even drive off while the lock is still in place is IF there were a failure in the PCM that had the wrong voltage to the circuit and the fuel NOT be shut off.

No where does it say that there has been any report of a Corvette suddenly locking the column at speed....only if you were stupid enough to drive off while it was still locked.

Details people.......details.....

 

Damn it, someone stole my thunder....but I was gunna say, if its a sudden combustion of a vehicle, it must be a Ford or Ford related product.
Ford:Quality is Job Number.....well its in there.


Anyway, in other news, I saw one of these flaming chariots the other day...Honey, They Shrunk the MPV.