Wow, didnt know the Cobalt was an 18 month car. IMO, it doesnt look like it. Ive been excited about the Cobalt since the first "oops" shots on GMI.

Mr.Father, Id like to ask how much involvement do you have in other Chevy products such as Cobalt, Malibu, and Impala?

 

I'm not ******* GM for not bringing back the F-Body. IMHO, I couldn't really care less if it did or did not come back. Sure, it'd be cool if it did, but I still have my 3rdgen and someday I'll have my 4thgen, so my plate for now is looking pretty full.

As far as market, I can respect what you're saying about the market and I see sales figures doing ok, but where's the excitement? Again, ruling out a 5thgen Fbody and the Vette, what does Chevy have to offer me? A brand that I've considered myself "devoted" to...

Here's my biggest problem... Take the Cobalt for example. People closely compare the engineering of this car to the 1999 VW Golf! A car that was probably engineered 2-4 years prior... lets say 1995... So the "All-New" Cobalt is still in the 90's... mid 90s. The S/C option is very attractive, and I am hoping to be impressed with the interior, but let me ask this question... Are we being given a 1995ish car in 2005? Is this car truly going to be up to par? I keep my fingers crossed. I hope it succeeds and shows GM (Chevy in particular) that there is a need for a car that will generate some excitement with people who don't make 6 digit figures and drive Vettes.

I'm probably rambling now. I truly want to see Chevy succeed. As I've said before, GM as a whole I think is doing well... But anymore I see Chevy's car lineup and it screams RENTAL CAR to me. That's not what I want to see from a company that I've stood by for so long.

 

I'm ******* GM because the biggest automobile manufacturer in the world should have a full product line.

Where are the wagons and 5 doors hatches?
Where is the compact ute?
How about something smaller than a 3/4 ton with diesel? Or a Suburban/Tahoe with a diesel?
How about a manual transmission in something other than an econobox or high end vehicle?
How about a convertible?
And yes, the pony car market should be covered.
Instead of spending millions on grill engineering how about actually differentiating the product?

We'll be in the market next May. Right now 2 "GM" products might be in the running ....the Vibe (Toyota) and the Optra5 (Daewoo)

 

5dr hatch and wagon? How about teh Maxx?
Compact Ute is in Oz...but GM does make it. Just not for North American Consumption
You can get a small 2500 with teh Diesel. Who else makes a small truck diesel? Only Jeep, and its not a truck nor is it out yet. Anyone else?

All the markets you talk about are tiny and not major for the exception of teh wagon/5dr hatch.

 

Malibu Maxx. Erm... who the h**l wants a station wagon anyway? Are they gonna put the fake wood sticker on the sides again? Wagons suck.

Err... sorry Al... I just hate wagons.


Relatively speaking, isn't an Equinox compact? Didn't the CAMI compacts sell like condoms at a convent?


Uh... why in the world would anybody buy a diesel for a vehicle with a 1/2 ton's towing capacity? No point in making diesel Suburbans and Tahoe, nobody wants one.


G6? Solstice?


Lesse here...

G6
Solstice
Corvette
XLR
And... certain... umm... other vehicles early in the development process.

 

The Maxx isn't a compact.

Sorry, I meant compact SUV, not ute.

2500HD & small is an oxymoron, and yes, I'll be taking a serious look at the Liberty diesel when it arrives.

IMO the biggest manufacturer in the world should be able to cover all the markets. If they spent the money used to badge engineer 3 and 4 versions of the same basic vehiclel to differentiate it instead ...take the Mazda6 as an example ... they would be further ahead.

 

See above. The Maxx isn't compact. I'd like the utility of a small SUV without having to drive a gas guzzling brick that handles like a marshmallow.

It's Art.


The 'nox is as big as our Envoy. When was the last time the Tracker got updated?

Fuel economy. I'd like to be able to tow the Camaros with more than a 125 mile range (That's what our Envoy gets)

None in showrooms around here.

I guess I forgot the affordable and 4 seater part. How many years will GM have gone without a 4 seat convertible by the time the G6 is in showrooms?

 

Boy it does sound like you were having a bad day Scott, Well I will not see you in Sept of next year but I will hopefully see you in NOV of this year. Even if I have to call in *cough cough I am dying here*

Next time you are having a bad day call me & I will bring over your blankey (got ya one the babysitter jokes )

 

Gas guzzling? 25-28mpg is gas-guzzling, then I guess so.

The Nox is the replacement for the Tracker. IMO, a good move for Chevy.

How many other people have a 4 seater convertable? Toyota's Solara, Mustang....and then you have teh luxury cars.

 

This is the 2nd time I've seen a post from RP talking about how GM has so many divisions to support and that's why things take so much time/money. As a consumer, that means nothing to me, really, other than GM is too big and slow of a company to keep up with what I want. If having so many divisions is so troublesome, why have so many divisions? I think that's one of the things people have spoken ill of GM for for a while. GM has to spend millions making 5 versions of every SUV and that's why they can't put out the kind of cars we want to buy as enthusiasts? OK, that doesn't mean I want to buy your cars any more. Just tells me that the company needs to get it's act together.

Not meaning to be rude, RP. Just doesn't seem like a comfort to me, as a customer and an enthusiast, to be told that GM has too many divisions to make the car I want.

 

Face it, Camaro's and Firebirds dont sell in the numbers, and arent such a large part of GM's income as Malibu's, Impala's, Grand Prix', and other sedans.
I would much rather like to see the sedans and trucks get a massive overhaul before GM comes out with a Camaro. As much as I would love one, Id wish GM as a company starts kicking tail. Its gunna be hard because GM is so large, but GM needs to use that.
GM, keep coming out with great product.

 

First of all What do you see most out there on the roads? SUVs & Trucks, we are in the age of the the bigger it is the better it is. Thats why GM has so many types of SUVs & Trucks out there.

Second of all We have to realize something, there are drivers then there are enthusiasts. We enthusiasts are a small bunch of buyers & when we buy a car we love then we dont go out & buy another one right away (Normally), So why should GM make cars that the enthusiasts want while losing sales? when they can make sales buy building the cars the DRIVERS would want?



God now I am sounding like you Scott lol, Hopefully in 4yrs I will being doing my internship in the big D

 

I understand the point for volume cars. But it keeps being mentioned about how expensive it is for GM to put out a car, moreso than any other brand, because they have to make so many versions of it.

From Red:
Sounds to me like having all of those divisions is a lot more of a burden than it is a blessing. If Ford and Chrysler only have to worry about a few brands....well, it seems to be working for them, isn't it? Especially as far as me, the guy looking for a fun to drive, nice looking car, is concerned. Just sounds to me like the reason we're being given for GM not competing well is it's so hard/expensive for them to compete with all of the brands they have dragging them down. Seems like the problem is pretty obvious there.

 

Ford & Daimmler has a lot more brands then you think, & Lovely Scott forgot (or just didnt want to say) to state a few of GMs other brands as well. Like Holden & a few others.

As I stated before GM is bringing the cars/trucks/SUVs that the DRIVERs want, not what we want.

How many of you guys say you are loyal GM owners but own a Ford truck or even a Dodge? Every car/ truck I own & there are 4 cars & 2 trucks have bowties on them.





Gee someone is going to be upset when I say this but I dont care.

If you dont like the ride then get off & never come back

Some of you guys act worse then my two young kids when they dont get their way. Scott has told every one to Wait & see what the future is bringing, I think you are going to like it but no one is willing to wait.

 

THANK YOU. I've come to the point with this site and this forum section, with all the childish whining going on about GM, I don't even read a lot of it anymore. "Boo hoo, GM is losing market share!" "Why o why did they stop making the FBody?" "Where's my clutch!?" "GM's making nothing now for little old me but dull SUV's!"

Gad what a bunch of whiners. Some news for you thumbsuckers... GM's got a nice market share and their quality is more than competitive. New products like the GTO are better in just about every dimension than the now-dated FBody. The reason for fewer standard trans options on modern vehicles is the declining POPULARITY of the option, not the rarity of the option on dealer lots. And anyone who thinks GM's new stuff is dull has not driven a C6, CTS-V, Saturn Redline Quad Coupe, GTO, or Grand Prix CompG!