Even through a blizzard and an earthquake, here's your damned Chicago show report!
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Audi does marvels to push its 3800 lbs A4 to high 14's 1/4 mile with only 211 HP (and 258 lbs-ft of torque). Hard to believe it, but it's the truth - it's all about the torque, here's proof.
Anyway. I think this Buick will be heavier, but if it comes with 260+ HP and 260+ lbs-ft of torque, it will be just fine.
Anyway. I think this Buick will be heavier, but if it comes with 260+ HP and 260+ lbs-ft of torque, it will be just fine.
Originally Posted by Maximum Bob
Hoodscoops, if done right, can make a car look more aggressive without going over the top. And I was never a fan of whale tails, but always like to have a low profile rear spoiler on my sporty cars
But, on the right car, I like over the top. Maybe its because I'm still a single 27 year old male that consumes too much soda and energy drinks.
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Badge, exhaust tips, bigger wheels = not shouting at you
Badge, exhaust tips, bigger wheels, different front fascia, subtle fender vent, hood bulge = shouting at you
Sure, there are some additional differences compared to years past, but it's all pretty subtle. You want to see shouting? Have a look at a WRX STI or a Lancer Evolution.
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And between the wheels, badges, flared fenders, fender grills, tips (which are larger and more pronounced than they used to be) front and rear fascias, different mirrors, hood bulges - they are much more pronounced than they were.
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Despite all of that, I think that the M cars are among the most subtle performance variants out there.
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We don't. Brandon isn't looking at this objectively. He said specifically "I would not buy it because it is a Buick." Based upon some of his posts he is a hurt Pontiac fan, and despite what the folks at GM might say; he isn't going to buy the Buick version of what could have been a Pontiac. This car could have easily have been the G6 2.0 and Brandon likely would have gone apecrap over it, but it isn't his brand and so he won't buy it. This kind of thing happens when you kill a brand that people have grown to love.
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EXACTLY! While a number of former Pontiac buyers will migrate to Chevy or Buick, depending on taste or wallet, there will be others who feel betrayed & either won't buy brand new cars anymore or give their business to someone else. Same thing happened with Olds. How many of their former customers went to Buick as expected & how many jumped ship in anger over what happened?
Saturn will be a much bigger problem than Pontiac as far as retention.
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Put yourself in my shoes. Say all you have bought for a long time was Pontiac. And Buick for a long time was the polar opposite of the kind of car you would buy. Now say GM cancels Pontiac, and then said.."Oh here is a Buick..and it is now what Pontiac would have been". You would have to be brain dead to just accept that. If the car was more awe inspiring, powerful, or aggressivly styled, I might change my mind. However a 220HP, 4000lb Opel with a Buick badge does not get my heart racing. Sure it could have more power...but GM could also bring Pontiac back tomorrow. We have had zero indication of either happening.
If you never bought a Pontiac or liked the brand..it is easy to think of Regal as something Pontiac would sell..but for me it's impossible. I can think of several cars from Audi, Mazda, Nissan/Infinity and Subaru that I would buy before the Regal. Even the Regal name screams old person. Chevy has some stuff that will keep me in the fold. But buying a Buick in my mind would be just vindicating GM was right to cancel Pontiac instead..and I won't do that.
If you never bought a Pontiac or liked the brand..it is easy to think of Regal as something Pontiac would sell..but for me it's impossible. I can think of several cars from Audi, Mazda, Nissan/Infinity and Subaru that I would buy before the Regal. Even the Regal name screams old person. Chevy has some stuff that will keep me in the fold. But buying a Buick in my mind would be just vindicating GM was right to cancel Pontiac instead..and I won't do that.
We don't. Brandon isn't looking at this objectively. He said specifically "I would not buy it because it is a Buick." Based upon some of his posts he is a hurt Pontiac fan, and despite what the folks at GM might say; he isn't going to buy the Buick version of what could have been a Pontiac. This car could have easily have been the G6 2.0 and Brandon likely would have gone apecrap over it, but it isn't his brand and so he won't buy it. This kind of thing happens when you kill a brand that people have grown to love.
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Put yourself in my shoes. Say all you have bought for a long time was Pontiac. And Buick for a long time was the polar opposite of the kind of car you would buy. Now say GM cancels Pontiac, and then said.."Oh here is a Buick..and it is now what Pontiac would have been". You would have to be brain dead to just accept that. If the car was more awe inspiring, powerful, or aggressivly styled, I might change my mind. However a 220HP, 4000lb Opel with a Buick badge does not get my heart racing. Sure it could have more power...but GM could also bring Pontiac back tomorrow. We have had zero indication of either happening.
If you never bought a Pontiac or liked the brand..it is easy to think of Regal as something Pontiac would sell..but for me it's impossible. I can think of several cars from Audi, Mazda, Nissan/Infinity and Subaru that I would buy before the Regal. Even the Regal name screams old person. Chevy has some stuff that will keep me in the fold. But buying a Buick in my mind would be just vindicating GM was right to cancel Pontiac instead..and I won't do that.
If you never bought a Pontiac or liked the brand..it is easy to think of Regal as something Pontiac would sell..but for me it's impossible. I can think of several cars from Audi, Mazda, Nissan/Infinity and Subaru that I would buy before the Regal. Even the Regal name screams old person. Chevy has some stuff that will keep me in the fold. But buying a Buick in my mind would be just vindicating GM was right to cancel Pontiac instead..and I won't do that.
BTW, it'll be 255+ hp and under 4000 pounds....
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Put yourself in my shoes. Say all you have bought for a long time was Pontiac. And Buick for a long time was the polar opposite of the kind of car you would buy. Now say GM cancels Pontiac, and then said.."Oh here is a Buick..and it is now what Pontiac would have been". You would have to be brain dead to just accept that. If the car was more awe inspiring, powerful, or aggressivly styled, I might change my mind. However a 220HP, 4000lb Opel with a Buick badge does not get my heart racing. Sure it could have more power...but GM could also bring Pontiac back tomorrow. We have had zero indication of either happening.
If you never bought a Pontiac or liked the brand..it is easy to think of Regal as something Pontiac would sell..but for me it's impossible. I can think of several cars from Audi, Mazda, Nissan/Infinity and Subaru that I would buy before the Regal. Even the Regal name screams old person. Chevy has some stuff that will keep me in the fold. But buying a Buick in my mind would be just vindicating GM was right to cancel Pontiac instead..and I won't do that.
If you never bought a Pontiac or liked the brand..it is easy to think of Regal as something Pontiac would sell..but for me it's impossible. I can think of several cars from Audi, Mazda, Nissan/Infinity and Subaru that I would buy before the Regal. Even the Regal name screams old person. Chevy has some stuff that will keep me in the fold. But buying a Buick in my mind would be just vindicating GM was right to cancel Pontiac instead..and I won't do that.
That being said why stay loyal to a dead brand? Do you hear any Eagle enthusiasts whining about how the Caliber SRT-4 should have been an Eagle? NO, they just moved on to another brand (likely with less loyalty than before). I honestly don't see what the big deal is, your brand is dead and if you want to continue to purchase new cars then you need to find the one that best fits your needs. If this car does that then what is the problem?
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http://jalopnik.com/5473277/buick-go...-north-america
oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please can we get a GS Wagon with the same swank equipment as the sedan?
oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please can we get a GS Wagon with the same swank equipment as the sedan?
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It was a cool car and all, but I didn't like it as much as I thought I might. Alot of the shiny showcar bit's appeared too glitzy to me. It may have reminded me of a Golf, but it seemed to lack the class of the Golf. In many ways it just seemed overdone.
Still looking forward to seeing how the production RS turns out though - but I think the VW GTi is safe.
Still looking forward to seeing how the production RS turns out though - but I think the VW GTi is safe.
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It's size and headlights kind of reminded me of the last Golf. They didn't have any pricing info, but I'd expect this Aveo to be more expensive than the last. It's gone up a size class. This car will edge closer to being a Cobalt replacement rather than Aveo.
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I've been expecting it to be aimed pretty squarely at the Honda Fit and others in that category.