Even through a blizzard and an earthquake, here's your damned Chicago show report!
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this is a $30 something K Buick. About what a well optioned Camaro SS will cost. You look at how well turned out the interior of this car is, (those very cool seats, steering wheel, shifter, etc) and compare it to a similarly priced Camaro across the aisle and just say WTF? GM needs to get some of those guys working on the 6th gen.
Originally Posted by Jason E
I'm hoping its GP GTP money
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It seems like if the car comes in at 3600-3700 will the Turbo 4 with 255hp
But how about the Wagon version! GME makes one! Audi sells the A4 Avant here (and Volvo sells plenty of wagons/hatchbacks too).
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Getting back to the interior. You know, this is not an $80K Cadillac, this is a $30 something K Buick. About what a well optioned Camaro SS will cost. You look at how well turned out the interior of this car is, (those very cool seats, steering wheel, shifter, etc) and compare it to a similarly priced Camaro across the aisle and just say WTF? I mean this interior is SPORTY - sportier than Camaro's. GM needs to get some of those guys working on the 6th gen.
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Saw the Regal at the LA press preview. Very nice car. I really like the new GS as well.
And, yes.... based on the Regal I have eaten my words regarding my rants about GM keeping Buick and killing off Pontiac.
And, yes.... based on the Regal I have eaten my words regarding my rants about GM keeping Buick and killing off Pontiac.
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No review of the new D-Max?
Why not just say GM didn't spend much money giving Epsilon the Cadillac treatment and is preying people don't notice so they can make buckets of cash.
Why not just say GM didn't spend much money giving Epsilon the Cadillac treatment and is preying people don't notice so they can make buckets of cash.
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There will be plenty of time later for a very expensive, low volume, money losing, S-Class competitor.
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No shame in admitting you've got a big bang for your buck. The XTS was developed quickly and inexpensively off of an existing architecture, and I think it'll hit a bullseye on it's target market. There is lots of money to be made from DTS owners looking for a new car. GM would be foolish not to address them.
There will be plenty of time later for a very expensive, low volume, money losing, S-Class competitor.
There will be plenty of time later for a very expensive, low volume, money losing, S-Class competitor.
IMO if Caddy ever wants to truly compete with the foreign makes for a flagship sedan it starts with ATS. Get the customers in on a higher volume vehicle and prove to them that Caddy is serious so they can build interest in an upscale vehicle because the Escalade's future isn't as certain with CAFE. All of the other luxury brands have that feeder formula in place.
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First, Pontiac "management" (if you want to call them that), would insist that fake hoodscoops and a large rear spoiler would need to be affixed, in order to appease the Pontiac enthusiasts. Of course, after that, no one else would buy the car.
Then, Pontiac enthusiasts would soundly reject this car because:
1) It's an Opel.
2) It doesn't look like a '64,'67,'68,'71 GTO.
3) It's not a RWD V8 for $22K
4) Doesn't have enough ribbed cladding.
GM would then put $7,000 in incentives on the hood, and they'd all sell to bargain hunters.
I think this car is better off as Buick.
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IMO if Caddy ever wants to truly compete with the foreign makes for a flagship sedan it starts with ATS. Get the customers in on a higher volume vehicle and prove to them that Caddy is serious so they can build interest in an upscale vehicle because the Escalade's future isn't as certain with CAFE. All of the other luxury brands have that feeder formula in place.
Exactly right.
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Cadillac XTS: GM is gonna make a mint on this car. It's very attractive in person. Far nicer than the DTS and STS it replaces. The ROI on this car will be sweet.
GMC Granite: Liked it alot. I know it's not everyone's cup o' tea, but it'll be an interesting addition to the GMC portfolio.
Aveo RS: Chevy needs a car like this NOW! Not sure how many of the showcar doodads will survive for production though.
Regal GS: OMG! I love this car - more than I thought. It's quite abit more badass in person than it is in pictures. I'd buy this car in a minute. The wheels are simply awesome. The Recaro seats look great as does the rest of the interior. Scott let me sit in it and give it a good once over. GM Design had John Cafaro there representing the GS. I had a chance to chat with him about it. I said, John, let me guess what's NOT making it to production. Those OPC wheels, right? John: Nope production. Me: Those Recaro seats? John: Those seats are production. Me: This brushed finish trim? John: Production. The GS concept is pretty much the one you'll buy. Cool.
Chrysler: Nothing new except, it's new Italian bosses seem to be having an effect on the models (as in the ladies). It seems that their tailored dresses are about 3 or 4 sizes too tight. A good thing! Keep up the good work Sergio!
Production Cruze: I hope it has a good heart, because it's not very pretty.
GMC Granite: Liked it alot. I know it's not everyone's cup o' tea, but it'll be an interesting addition to the GMC portfolio.
Aveo RS: Chevy needs a car like this NOW! Not sure how many of the showcar doodads will survive for production though.
Regal GS: OMG! I love this car - more than I thought. It's quite abit more badass in person than it is in pictures. I'd buy this car in a minute. The wheels are simply awesome. The Recaro seats look great as does the rest of the interior. Scott let me sit in it and give it a good once over. GM Design had John Cafaro there representing the GS. I had a chance to chat with him about it. I said, John, let me guess what's NOT making it to production. Those OPC wheels, right? John: Nope production. Me: Those Recaro seats? John: Those seats are production. Me: This brushed finish trim? John: Production. The GS concept is pretty much the one you'll buy. Cool.
Chrysler: Nothing new except, it's new Italian bosses seem to be having an effect on the models (as in the ladies). It seems that their tailored dresses are about 3 or 4 sizes too tight. A good thing! Keep up the good work Sergio!
Production Cruze: I hope it has a good heart, because it's not very pretty.
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My only concern thus far is power to weight ratio. It seems like if the car comes in at 3600-3700 will the Turbo 4 with 255hp be able to pull that weight around and make the car feel lighter than it is?
0-60 times under 6 sec are impressive but how much of that is because of AWD.
0-60 times under 6 sec are impressive but how much of that is because of AWD.
Anyway. I think this Buick will be heavier, but if it comes with 260+ HP and 260+ lbs-ft of torque, it will be just fine.
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No shame in admitting you've got a big bang for your buck. The XTS was developed quickly and inexpensively off of an existing architecture, and I think it'll hit a bullseye on it's target market. There is lots of money to be made from DTS owners looking for a new car. GM would be foolish not to address them.
There will be plenty of time later for a very expensive, low volume, money losing, S-Class competitor.
There will be plenty of time later for a very expensive, low volume, money losing, S-Class competitor.
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For a fleeting moment I considered this car more appropriate as a Pontiac. After considering more carefully, I know what a disaster that would be.
First, Pontiac "management" (if you want to call them that), would insist that fake hoodscoops and a large rear spoiler would need to be affixed, in order to appease the Pontiac enthusiasts. Of course, after that, no one else would buy the car.
Then, Pontiac enthusiasts would soundly reject this car because:
1) It's an Opel.
2) It doesn't look like a '64,'67,'68,'71 GTO.
3) It's not a RWD V8 for $22K
4) Doesn't have enough ribbed cladding.
GM would then put $7,000 in incentives on the hood, and they'd all sell to bargain hunters.
First, Pontiac "management" (if you want to call them that), would insist that fake hoodscoops and a large rear spoiler would need to be affixed, in order to appease the Pontiac enthusiasts. Of course, after that, no one else would buy the car.
Then, Pontiac enthusiasts would soundly reject this car because:
1) It's an Opel.
2) It doesn't look like a '64,'67,'68,'71 GTO.
3) It's not a RWD V8 for $22K
4) Doesn't have enough ribbed cladding.
GM would then put $7,000 in incentives on the hood, and they'd all sell to bargain hunters.
Been reading the Pontiac thread?
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I guess the bottom line would be to see how well it sells. If it sells as well as the DTS/STS combined, it will have accomplished something, and brought badly needed cash into the coffers. If it doesn't, then feel free to rip on it. But truth be told, it's a very sharp looking car. My only concern is the DI 3.6 replacing the Northstar. The Northstar really did it's part to make the DTS a nice package. I fear the 3.6 will lack it's torque and smoothness.