Don't expect Horsepower to go much farther than today (plus new Lightning info)
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There is more than one way to interpret Coletti's statement. However, the implications that some make that he essentially doesn't have a clue is ignorance in action.
From www.dictionary.com: Ignorance; The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.
Personally, I think the HP "wars" will start to be curtailed. Any number of issues, likely in combination, will start to have a big effect on that. These include, but are certainly not limited to, technology, fuel prices, insurance concerns, emissions, safety *****, etc. Cars seem to get heavier as they get more power (GTO, 03 Cobra, etc), with a few noticeable exceptions (such as the Vette). It only makes sense that more R&D will be put into making things lighter vice adding HP. The benefits are many, including better mileage, better performance, better handling. There are also detractors, of course.
From www.dictionary.com: Ignorance; The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.
Personally, I think the HP "wars" will start to be curtailed. Any number of issues, likely in combination, will start to have a big effect on that. These include, but are certainly not limited to, technology, fuel prices, insurance concerns, emissions, safety *****, etc. Cars seem to get heavier as they get more power (GTO, 03 Cobra, etc), with a few noticeable exceptions (such as the Vette). It only makes sense that more R&D will be put into making things lighter vice adding HP. The benefits are many, including better mileage, better performance, better handling. There are also detractors, of course.
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AHAHA I LOVE IT!!
Ok, ok, ok... So when SVT makes below-par performance cars, Coletti saying "enough is enough" so the Feds wont shut them down is "smart" and "wise" yet when GM brings out a car or truck short of par on the HP numbers, they are stupid, dumb, and lack the engineering of SVT to make hi-po cars...
Can we please change the colors tho this site to blue and the name to Stangnet?
Sorry, but he made himself look like a fool. You dont pride your company on performance and not understand the concept of Power to Weight ratio. Dont get upset because your God slipped up and sounded like a dumbass either wich way you look at it.
Ok, ok, ok... So when SVT makes below-par performance cars, Coletti saying "enough is enough" so the Feds wont shut them down is "smart" and "wise" yet when GM brings out a car or truck short of par on the HP numbers, they are stupid, dumb, and lack the engineering of SVT to make hi-po cars...
Can we please change the colors tho this site to blue and the name to Stangnet?
Sorry, but he made himself look like a fool. You dont pride your company on performance and not understand the concept of Power to Weight ratio. Dont get upset because your God slipped up and sounded like a dumbass either wich way you look at it.
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Chris 96 WS6....totally and completely agree. Common sense does prevail, on occasion.
I'm sorry, I didn't see where I or anybody else said anything of the sort. Could you please provide links/quotes to back up your assertions? Thanks.
I don't think Jason or Frez would be too keen on that idea, but I digress.
As has been stated many times, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Be advised that I give your opinion all its due consideration.
Please see "ignorance" definition above. Your silly idea that Coletti or any other true enthusiasts doesn't understand "Power to Weight ratio" is ludicrious enough to be quite funny. Thanks for the laugh.
Wow - so we have more assumptions here. Coletti means very little to me. Sorry to burst your bubble. And as far as sounding like a "dumbass", one only needs to consider the source (you) in order to put that in proper context. In fact, if you thought him to be the worlds smartest man, I'd be worried.
Originally posted by Big Als Z
AHAHA I LOVE IT!!
Ok, ok, ok... So when SVT makes below-par performance cars, Coletti saying "enough is enough" so the Feds wont shut them down is "smart" and "wise" yet when GM brings out a car or truck short of par on the HP numbers, they are stupid, dumb, and lack the engineering of SVT to make hi-po cars...
AHAHA I LOVE IT!!
Ok, ok, ok... So when SVT makes below-par performance cars, Coletti saying "enough is enough" so the Feds wont shut them down is "smart" and "wise" yet when GM brings out a car or truck short of par on the HP numbers, they are stupid, dumb, and lack the engineering of SVT to make hi-po cars...
Can we please change the colors tho this site to blue and the name to Stangnet?
Sorry, but he made himself look like a fool.
You dont pride your company on performance and not understand the concept of Power to Weight ratio.
Dont get upset because your God slipped up and sounded like a dumbass either wich way you look at it.
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There is no need for the personal attacts, as you seem to enjoy resorting to them. He must mean something to you if you are bringing me into this.
He said it, not I. Why else would he say that? If he does know about P/W ratio, then why would he say something like that to make him sound stupid? Ill leave you to answer that.
He said it, not I. Why else would he say that? If he does know about P/W ratio, then why would he say something like that to make him sound stupid? Ill leave you to answer that.
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Originally posted by mastrdrver
I believe it when I see it. With the Camaro coming back and talk of RWD sedans coming from GM, I don't see Ford staying where they are for long. These are performance cars, not high quantity cars. If you come in last in hp, you don't sell cars. People won't buy a Cobra when you could possibly have a Camaro for the same price and have more power.
I believe it when I see it. With the Camaro coming back and talk of RWD sedans coming from GM, I don't see Ford staying where they are for long. These are performance cars, not high quantity cars. If you come in last in hp, you don't sell cars. People won't buy a Cobra when you could possibly have a Camaro for the same price and have more power.
Tell that to the 4th gen F-cars, which pretty much dominated the bang for the buck league, and offered more horsepower/performance for less money than the Mustang for basically its entire existence. Even the car magazines used to wonder aloud (or in print, rather) why people kept buying the Mustang. But the Mustang survived, and the F-car is gone (for now, at least) thanks to lackluster sales...
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
Really... this stuff is unneeded, especially in this forum.
Want to argue things? Fine. But don't start name calling.
This place it too valubale to turn into something like that. Heck, you can say he is "ignorant" if you feel that is the case, but you really don't need to make a peronal attack with the "***" tacked on.
Really... this stuff is unneeded, especially in this forum.
Want to argue things? Fine. But don't start name calling.
This place it too valubale to turn into something like that. Heck, you can say he is "ignorant" if you feel that is the case, but you really don't need to make a peronal attack with the "***" tacked on.
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Originally posted by Big Als Z
There is no need for the personal attacts, as you seem to enjoy resorting to them. He must mean something to you if you are bringing me into this.
He said it, not I. Why else would he say that? If he does know about P/W ratio, then why would he say something like that to make him sound stupid? Ill leave you to answer that.
There is no need for the personal attacts, as you seem to enjoy resorting to them. He must mean something to you if you are bringing me into this.
He said it, not I. Why else would he say that? If he does know about P/W ratio, then why would he say something like that to make him sound stupid? Ill leave you to answer that.
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Originally posted by Big Als Z
Ok, ok, ok... So when SVT makes below-par performance cars, Coletti saying "enough is enough" so the Feds wont shut them down is "smart" and "wise" yet when GM brings out a car or truck short of par on the HP numbers, they are stupid, dumb, and lack the engineering of SVT to make hi-po cars...
Ok, ok, ok... So when SVT makes below-par performance cars, Coletti saying "enough is enough" so the Feds wont shut them down is "smart" and "wise" yet when GM brings out a car or truck short of par on the HP numbers, they are stupid, dumb, and lack the engineering of SVT to make hi-po cars...
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Any slight mention of Ford brings out all of the Blue Oval die-hards.
Like I said earlier, it looks like Ford has or will have difficulties in the future keeping up in a high HP war. That's what it seems like ole' Colletti is really saying, so he uses the HP/weight ratio to side step the horse power issue. If this isn't the case, then fine but I really don't think he would be doing this "for the good of the industry" and to keep insurace and government regulations away. Wasn't he the same guy who was running his mouth about how much power they are getting from thier cars?
My guess is that they are having difficulty with reliability and/or regulation issues.
By the way, you can't get upset for someone speaking out against Ford on a site like this, you have to just deal with it.
Like I said earlier, it looks like Ford has or will have difficulties in the future keeping up in a high HP war. That's what it seems like ole' Colletti is really saying, so he uses the HP/weight ratio to side step the horse power issue. If this isn't the case, then fine but I really don't think he would be doing this "for the good of the industry" and to keep insurace and government regulations away. Wasn't he the same guy who was running his mouth about how much power they are getting from thier cars?
My guess is that they are having difficulty with reliability and/or regulation issues.
By the way, you can't get upset for someone speaking out against Ford on a site like this, you have to just deal with it.
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I agree with Darth, I think this is a first 
I hope SVT pushes the limits on the handling of the new Mustang so when we get our Camaro it will have to be at least as good or better. I have high hopes for Zeta's handling.
Although Im not so sure a HP war would stop between the Viper/GT/Vette if a blue devil shows up to the party.
I hope SVT pushes the limits on the handling of the new Mustang so when we get our Camaro it will have to be at least as good or better. I have high hopes for Zeta's handling.
Although Im not so sure a HP war would stop between the Viper/GT/Vette if a blue devil shows up to the party.
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Originally posted by PaperTarget
So it's ok for GM people like Al to start calling names???
So it's ok for GM people like Al to start calling names???
I might not agree with everything he's saying (ie. "SVT must die"), but I'm not going to attack personally.
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This horsepower war is not going to last. Thats the fact, if anyone thinks it will go on and on and higher and higher your sadly mistaken. Sooner or later the feds and insurance companies will start making louder threats. Thats the truth of the matter. This is a great time for HP but it wont last so if Manufacturers can start to "hide" there HP with lighter weight and better handling characteristics the better it is!
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I find it funny that such a very small segment of the automobile world is treated like this. He said that there are at least 14 cars and trucks that make at least 400hp that are available today...
ASTON MARTIN DB7 VANTAGE
ASTON MARTIN DB7 VANTAGE VOLANTE
ASTON MARTIN VANQUISH
AUDI RS6
BENTLEY ARNAGE
BENTLEY AZURE
BENTLEY CONTINENTAL
CADILLAC CTS-V
CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
DODGE RAM SRT-10
DODGE VIPER SRT-10
FERRARI 360 MODENA
FERRARI 360 SPIDER
FERRARI 456M
FERRARI 575M MARANELLO
FERRARI 612 SCAGLIETTI
FERRARI ENZO
FORD GT
LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO
LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO
MASERATI SPYDER
MAYBACH 57
MAYBACH 62
MERCEDES-BENZ CL55 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ CL600
MERCEDES-BENZ CL65 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ E55 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ S55 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ S600
MERCEDES-BENZ S65 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ SL55 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ SL600
MERCEDES-BENZ SL65 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ SLR MCLAREN
PORSCHE 911 TURBO
PORSCHE 911 GT2
PORSCHE CAYENNE TURBO
VOLKSWAGEN PHAETON W-12
VOLKSWAGEN TOUAREG W-12
And probably several more that Car and Driver didn't have on their website yet.
ASTON MARTIN DB7 VANTAGE
ASTON MARTIN DB7 VANTAGE VOLANTE
ASTON MARTIN VANQUISH
AUDI RS6
BENTLEY ARNAGE
BENTLEY AZURE
BENTLEY CONTINENTAL
CADILLAC CTS-V
CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
DODGE RAM SRT-10
DODGE VIPER SRT-10
FERRARI 360 MODENA
FERRARI 360 SPIDER
FERRARI 456M
FERRARI 575M MARANELLO
FERRARI 612 SCAGLIETTI
FERRARI ENZO
FORD GT
LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO
LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO
MASERATI SPYDER
MAYBACH 57
MAYBACH 62
MERCEDES-BENZ CL55 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ CL600
MERCEDES-BENZ CL65 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ E55 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ S55 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ S600
MERCEDES-BENZ S65 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ SL55 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ SL600
MERCEDES-BENZ SL65 AMG
MERCEDES-BENZ SLR MCLAREN
PORSCHE 911 TURBO
PORSCHE 911 GT2
PORSCHE CAYENNE TURBO
VOLKSWAGEN PHAETON W-12
VOLKSWAGEN TOUAREG W-12
And probably several more that Car and Driver didn't have on their website yet.
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
No, it's not OK, but I don't see anywhere in this thread where Al personally attacked someone in the thread or on this board or called them a name directly. You did. That's the difference.
I might not agree with everything he's saying (ie. "SVT must die"), but I'm not going to attack personally.
No, it's not OK, but I don't see anywhere in this thread where Al personally attacked someone in the thread or on this board or called them a name directly. You did. That's the difference.
I might not agree with everything he's saying (ie. "SVT must die"), but I'm not going to attack personally.
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Originally posted by PaperTarget
While I'm sure it would be a joy to search the web archives, I'll leave that to you. He does do it, whether he chooses not to use the word *** or not. I didn't see you jumping to my aide when I was called an *** hat earlier this year for making a valid point and wanting the other side to prove theirs (they never did). You can stand by him if you like, but most people here see what he is. Regardless, that's the last I have to say about it.
While I'm sure it would be a joy to search the web archives, I'll leave that to you. He does do it, whether he chooses not to use the word *** or not. I didn't see you jumping to my aide when I was called an *** hat earlier this year for making a valid point and wanting the other side to prove theirs (they never did). You can stand by him if you like, but most people here see what he is. Regardless, that's the last I have to say about it.
Regardless, you responding to him (or anyone) like that makes you look as bad or worse.
This isn't the place for personal attacks.