Proud, I think you bring up a huge point here. If you're a Mustang enthusiast.....you covet the Mustang model that you own, and you appreciate the others. I never hear talk of "The Ultimate Mustang".

And to Ford's credit....each model is desirable in it's own right. Like I said before...NO THROW AWAY MODELS.

There are no Mustang canibals at Ford.

 

Proudpony, I didn't know you had a "special service". I had a 85 I ran the wheels off of (220,000 miles and still going strong when I sold it!). I also brought a series of them when I lived in San Francisco to resell, mostly 92s & 93s. Had a near mint jet black '93 SS I kept for myself that had an oil cooler, a racing radiator, and a few other parts courtesy of the CHP (they originally used the car for patrol in central valley).

I'm still really kicking myself for selling that car, but a guy made an offer I couldn't refuse. He offered almost twice what I paid for the car!

 

Z28vsGT;RSvsMach1;SSvsCobra

ooops! i did rank the RS above the Z28, and thats not cool. personally i think the z28 should be the top model but the general public is too stupid to figure it out with SS being top on all the other cars. still think camaro has a good shot but i do agree now that it is gonna be even more difficult with that 4 engine look Ford is bringing. also thanks for letting me in on the Pony package. thats actually kinda neat for v6 owners that couldnt afford a GT.

 

They can figure it out. If SS is the top model of the "regular cars" and Z06 is the top Corvette, then Z28 definetly still makes sence as the top Camaro which is an enthusiast car also.

 

I see the SS as the "generic" Chevy performance model. Nothing wrong with that. Ford has GT, Dodge has R/T, Pontiac has GXP.

But some of us may want something different...........

 

Well said.

Can anybody in here give an instance where two Mustang guys argued over a GT or a Cobra being "top dog"? Does it result in the GT being any less desireable or it's sales dropping - NO!

Doesn't the average car guy on the street recognize that a Bullitt is different from the other Mustangs?

Can the average guy see a difference between a Mach 1 and a Cobra - sure. Will he prefer one over the other - Yes. Will he RESENT one for encroaching on the other - NO.

Whether it is faster or not, handles better or not, or does 0-60 faster is irrelevant between most Mustang owners. They are after the car that best emulates thier personality - they can generally find one like that, and they are happy with it.

That is why I get so fascinated about the debates between Z/28 and SS as "top dog" in the Camaro camp. What a debacle! It leaves alot to the individual, making it a subjective call which results in confusion and argument, and ultimately hurts the car's overall identity IMO. And we all know how important identity is in cars these days. It's kinda regretful that this SS / Z/28 thing has been allowed to happen IMO. Corporate should have had a plan to maintain each moniker to a certain standard and keep them consistent all along. Maybe they will on the F5 - Lets hope so.

Just my .02 .

 

I also hope that Chevy corrects itself on the 5th gen.......BELIEVE ME! Chevy had a golden opportunity to to really develop/focus two famous Camaro "sub brands"...but completely squandered it. YES, IT WAS A DEBACLE!

If Chevy had been running the Mustang program....how would things be different?

Maybe it would go something like this........

Chevy announces that the Mustang GT would now be the "ULTIMATE MUSTANG". The Cobra loses it's engine and wheels and IRS(Cobra now has V6 wheels).These features are now only available on the "ULTIMATE MUSTANG GT".

Mach 1 loses it's interior, shaker scoop, wheels. These features are only available on the "ULTIMATE MUSTANG GT" . Mach 1 goes with V6 wheels, hood and interior....(Ford...er...I mean Chevy's research shows enthusiasts want this).

Bullitt...you've got to be kidding. It's cancelled. Chevy fears someone may find it more appealing than the "ULTIMATE MUSTANG GT".


BOSS!?, Shelby??!, anything else that people might want to buy??? Forget it suckers. Building any other desirable Mustang, "wouldn't be fair" to the "ULTIMATE MUSTANG GT" owners.

 

LOL at your analogy!
But the real situation is really not funny...

I guess the "ultimate GT" thing you were just portraying really does get me thinking about how the Vette might throw a ceiling on some Camaro plans. That doesn't happen with Ford (at least not until the GT-40 arrives anyhow). I think there was a grave error in placing the Camaro's livelihood in the hands of the Corvette team. The two should have been separate entities, with separate goals and staff, yet had "crossover" meetings to ensure commonality of parts, synergies, market goals, etc. I really think they could have both lived fine that way.

BTW, which is the "top-dog" Vette...
The Z06 or the Vette SS?
Clearly defined there, huh!

 

Well GM could always do what ford did and just copy the 67 design....then it would be like the 60's all over again!

 

I saw a Silver Colorado Z71 at the Cleveland Auto show... I thought it look fantastic as far as trucks go...

I don't know why so many are disappointed with Colorado?

 

Darth - ol' buddy - ya lost me here.
Where did the Colorado come in on the Camaro v. Mustang thread?

FWIW, I like the Colorado looks too! It beats the S-10 bubble front!

 

LOL! Ya, I probably should have quoted...

Z284ever said he didn't like the chances of a good looking Camaro from the people who designed Colorado... among other vehicles...

Sorry

 

The Camaro does have a ceiling, but you have to understand that it is a pretty high one. So now the new SS or Z28 can't go over around 400 rated horses(and more likeliy higher)..........not too bad. I don't think the whole Corvette ceiling has been a problem or will be a problem.

 

"ULTIMATE MUSTANG GT".....that had to be the most true and most hilarious thing I've ever seen on this board. Isnt that so true though how GM can screw everything up where Ford can run with something and be a huge success while we are still bickering over how the Z28 is better than the SS or vice versa where the SS is nothing more than a Z28 with a couple of different things done to it???? Yes and the Vette and 'Maro should be separate entities with crossover meetings. Its marketing, design planning downfalls like this that leave Chevy performance breathing in Fords dust after burning out in our faces with the new Stang. In resposne to the original post question "Does Camaro ecen have a chance against the Mustang?", it sure as hell does and can own the Mustang given GM goes about it the right way which would be a miracle on its own. The choices Mustang owners will have with all these powertrain options, rims, and distinct looks etc. etc. give that car the upperhand more than ever. Then theres the 4th gen 3.8L and 5.7L. Z28, SS, RS gfx. Lets break out the party hats!!! I'm more one of those people who gets pissed watching all their friends buying Mustangs even if they arent as fast or as good performance wise. I see it first hand, as it stands, Mustangs rule the land at least where I live right next to Dearborn and Detroit. GM will have to build a stellar car, and if they can do it where I live and turn some heads with a better car then a Mustang, theres no better accomplishment and THEY CAN DO THIS. If this board has faith then why cant they? Even with those goofy designs at this years auto show. I'm just sick of being left out in the cold having the only Camaro when I go to the track with my friends...all running Mustangs. I'm goin to college to be an engineer and I know I want to get directly involved in helping Camaro have a chance, if not Ford has a better A-plan and damn good jobs...

 

Good posts guys and Z284. The whole Z28/SS thing was and is a shame, lets hope they see how it should be again with no revisionist BS in a 5th Gen.