Well, I 've seen the Colorado, I've seen the Cheyenne, I've seen the Malibu and I've seen the SS concept.

My question is...can the people that designed those vehicles, even have a prayer of designing a Camaro nice enough to compete with Mustang?

 

I doubt it.

 

Yes.

 

Hey dumbass, post that **** somewhere else, we have a forum with standards...

Moderator? Dont think this has anything to do with the Camaro vs. Mustang....

 

By Mustang, I really don't think we were talking about Mustang Ranch, let alone internet pay for **** webcams, and endless porno popups ginaguy18p0r.

After reading your profile, I see you just joined here today, and made 20 posts in LESS than a day! Your post makes me wonder if you're getting a commission from that website. If not, I really, really think you may have issues to deal with.

By your posts, I see you are either a borderline pre-teen, or a really slow and extremely stupid individual, so in case you missed something somewhere, this is a 5th gen Camaro and future cars discussion site.

I can see how you may have gotten confused about all of this, afterall, a "5th gen discussion" site may perhaps sound like a "babes on webcams" site to some individuals , so I won't be too harsh on you tonight (besides, I just came back from barhopping, and I'm not in the mood ).

So, just go back to your room, and get those magazines you're hiding from mommy & daddy, close and lock your door, and get ahold of yourself. Maybe you'll feel better.

 

Yes. I think they can... I still hope they give John Cafaro at least a chance at showing some of his styling ideas...

 

I for one am glad in a small way that there is no Camaro or Firebird right now for GM Design to screw up. I hope there never is the day when a Camaro has that stupid spear plastered across the front. Or when a Firebird looks like an Aztek/Angry insect.

If I were Bob Lutz I would find a way to give Cherry and any of Cherry's "Team Players" their walking papers. There just has to be plenty of talented junior designers that dont like Cherry's direction, and that would help lead a revival. Only then will GM Design HELP car sales instead of hurt them.

 

To be honest, I'm getting alittle concerned. I've seen the Mustang and I've seen GM's latest production and concept offerings. There is no comparison.

I know that some here don't like the Mustang, but when you see it person, it looks like a fresh, agressive, beautiful design.

It's going to have good looks, good chassis, good power, (WITH A NUMBER OF POWERTRAIN CHOICES AND DISTINCT MODELS).

It's going to be an honest car, that will sell like the proverbial hotcakes. The crowds around the concept were literally transfixed by it. I can't really remember ever seeing quite such a reaction at the auto show before. The star of the Chevy show...the SS concept....probably had less than a couple of dozen people around it during it's presentation.

I'm not sure what needs to happen at GM to get people hot and bothered about Chevrolet....but if what we've seen so far is any indication, we may be in trouble.

 

Like you, i think that the Stang concept is an excellent looker. The people that have seen the production version have even gone as far as to say that the production version looks even better then the concept.

The only clear answer to the 2005 mustang would be a 5th gen concept. The SS concept has no history, and no real following. The GTO has history and following, but many would rather liken todays GTO to a boringly styled Ls-1 equipped GP, than to the originator of the muscle car in the 60's. Niether of these vehicles are the answer to the mustang.

A 5th gen would stir allot more excitement then any concept vehicle in GM's showcase. As for the design, it's going to be a tough one. I don't think it'll necessarily have to look better to sell, or compete with the mustang. A golden powertrain and excellent performance #'s can make up for some of the styling. People also have preferences that differ so you'll always have someone that thinks one car looks better then other. There are Aztek buyers out there.

I think it's too early to say for now.

 

I like the new Cheyenne and I think it will gain some ground against the Ranger. But yeah, the Malibu and Cheyenne are fugly. If the next-gen Camaro looks anything like the SS then I'd just as soon they don't bother.

 

I don't believe Chevy will have the luxury of any free-bees with the Camaro. Ford seems to be getting it's powertrain act in gear...and it seems, it will be totally in gear very soon.

The Camaro as a total package, will need to be nothing short of stellar.

Plus........

The Camaro will need to break into a segment that Mustang will completely own.

No easy task....but if GM wants Camaro to succeed, they had better...as they say....sweat more than just the details.

 

Ahem, like it did 36 years ago?

I mean really, most people are putting the '05 Mustang concept on a god-like pedestol...and it's a concept! So we know it will look like that, and everyone loves it, but has anyone driven one? Anyone know what production fit/finish/quality will be like? If the '05 looked like a turd would anyone be this concerned here? In reality, we're basing how good the next Mustang will be on a styling concept, some facts about its chassis and a ton of powertrain rumors. I'm going to keep things in their proper perspective for now.

BTW I am NOT implying the next Mustang won't be a great car...it very well could be, and in fact I expect it to be, it's Ford's halo car for gosh sakes...but I honestly don't think for a moment that GM would bring back a Camaro that you couldn't feel proud to park alongside of a new Mustang.

 

The 5th gen will have to be stellar just to fend off the competition from within GM!

By 2006 we'll have a rwd Monte and Impala, a state-side created GTO, RWD Grand Prix, and probably still the CTSv. Granted some of those are above the Camaro's market and some are below, but Im willing to bet that a few of the 4th gen buyers would have spent the extra money to get one of the above listed if the opportunity presented itself at the time.

Id think more of along the lines on how the thirdgen was created. Basic styling - not over done but yet still says Im here - multiple engine choices, an interior at least comparable to the Stangs interior, and no Z28 engine that's putting ot ~50+ rwhp than the GT. Keep the competition tight with the engine and spend a little more on the little things, which is what the 3rd gen did lack.

Add to this the fact that it can be produced on 1 of 2 high volume platforms, either Solstice or Sigma/VE, taking away the economic issues the 4th gen faced. Drive train will probably already be in place from Powertrain. That leaves a lot of money for the little things - fit and finish, HVAC, comfort, suspension - which will be the selling point of the new Camaro.

Oh yes fellas, it'll compete, and honestly the sky will be the limit. Have some faith.

 

Pretty much...but more so this time.

It's just a concept alright, but concepts tell us what manufacturers are thinking. The last Chevy concept that created any buzz was the Nomad. The Mustang is exponentially bigger

I find that perspective alarming. I hope that the GM strategy board doesn't take that view. Underestimating your competitor will give you a one way ticket to hiatus-ville.

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..but I honestly don't think for a moment that GM would bring back a Camaro that you couldn't feel proud to park alongside of a new Mustang.

I certainly hope so. But I not only want to feel proud of parking it next to a Mustang..........I WANT IT TO BLOW IT AWAY!

 

I agree what Chuck said..... although I hope the "little things" don't end up weighing the car down.

I hope GM would able to at least 1up on fit/finish and suspension design, and give us a powertrain that has plenty of options open for the modder..

Heavy factory backed participation in various production based roadracing for the new Camaro would give the name a nice shiny gleam on it.. Back it with a tasteful ad campaign that ties into that, and that should generate excitement.. Then you can sell the racing parts or derived parts thru GMPP at the dealer.