Do u think this could be a possibility as a base engine for the 5th gen?
07-24-2002, 12:19 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
SS is only a decoration package as has been demonstrated by all Chevys wearing the SS name (Camaro included), so a 400+ version isn't realistic based on that history.</font>
SS is only a decoration package as has been demonstrated by all Chevys wearing the SS name (Camaro included), so a 400+ version isn't realistic based on that history.</font>
07-24-2002, 04:40 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 0toinsanein5.4sec:
Why not? the new cobras have 390 hp. Why should the SS have less, when it is practically tradition to have more then the mustangs in all ranges.</font>
Why not? the new cobras have 390 hp. Why should the SS have less, when it is practically tradition to have more then the mustangs in all ranges.</font>
07-24-2002, 04:56 PM
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i was thinking the corvette also get a power boost, to like 430-440 hp for base corvette. And they only sold like 300 cobra R's if i remember correctly, and that was like 2 years ago when they did.
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07-24-2002, 06:28 PM
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I don't care if it's a V6 or an Inline configuration, as long as it makes enough power to compete with sport coupes and sedans, I'm cool.
The 3.4 was the biggest mistake of the 4th gens. Whoever said it was a good idea to put it in should be shot. 160 hp in a 3300lb car? **** you, ****ty GM engineer!
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Let the base model F5 compete with Acura CLs and TLs, BMW 3 series, Mercedes C-Class (power wise, of course.), and let the Z28 F5s rip all the sports cars apart
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The 3.4 was the biggest mistake of the 4th gens. Whoever said it was a good idea to put it in should be shot. 160 hp in a 3300lb car? **** you, ****ty GM engineer!
(in a bad mood right now )Let the base model F5 compete with Acura CLs and TLs, BMW 3 series, Mercedes C-Class (power wise, of course.), and let the Z28 F5s rip all the sports cars apart
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07-24-2002, 07:17 PM
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How about this:
base: I5 220HP
RS: 4.2L I6 275HP or 3.6L V6 260HP
Z28: 6.0L V8 350HP
SS: 6.0L V8 375HP
Vette: 6.0L V8 390HP
Z06: 6.3L V8 450HP
Super Vette: 7.0L V8 550HP
The base Camaro will go up against the RSX Eclipes GTS and the like.
RS will go up against the 350Z and RX8
and finally the SS and Z28 vs. the GT, Cobra, and Hemi Dodge cars.
base: I5 220HP
RS: 4.2L I6 275HP or 3.6L V6 260HP
Z28: 6.0L V8 350HP
SS: 6.0L V8 375HP
Vette: 6.0L V8 390HP
Z06: 6.3L V8 450HP
Super Vette: 7.0L V8 550HP
The base Camaro will go up against the RSX Eclipes GTS and the like.
RS will go up against the 350Z and RX8
and finally the SS and Z28 vs. the GT, Cobra, and Hemi Dodge cars.
07-24-2002, 07:36 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 0toinsanein5.4sec:
i was thinking the corvette also get a power boost, to like 430-440 hp for base corvette. And they only sold like 300 cobra R's if i remember correctly, and that was like 2 years ago when they did.
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i was thinking the corvette also get a power boost, to like 430-440 hp for base corvette. And they only sold like 300 cobra R's if i remember correctly, and that was like 2 years ago when they did.
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07-25-2002, 06:54 PM
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The engines in the Camaro aren't the problem, and never have been...
The styling is what needs fixing. I'd be perfectly happy with 3800/LS1 again.
People buy the base Mustang because they like the looks, not because the base engine has awesome power blah blah blah.
The base model needs adequate power and great styling to ever compete with the Mustang. The Z28/SS has never been a problem, power is great (although more never hurt us)
People just aren't buying an "engine in a box"...we need a nicer box, not a nicer engine.
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The styling is what needs fixing. I'd be perfectly happy with 3800/LS1 again.
People buy the base Mustang because they like the looks, not because the base engine has awesome power blah blah blah.
The base model needs adequate power and great styling to ever compete with the Mustang. The Z28/SS has never been a problem, power is great (although more never hurt us)
People just aren't buying an "engine in a box"...we need a nicer box, not a nicer engine.
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07-26-2002, 03:30 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MunchE:
The engines in the Camaro aren't the problem, and never have been...
The styling is what needs fixing. I'd be perfectly happy with 3800/LS1 again.
People buy the base Mustang because they like the looks, not because the base engine has awesome power blah blah blah.
The base needs adequate power and great styling to ever compete with the Mustang. The Z28/SS has never been a problem, power is great (although more never hurt us)
People just aren't buying an "engine in a box"...we need a nicer box, not a nicer engine.
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The engines in the Camaro aren't the problem, and never have been...
The styling is what needs fixing. I'd be perfectly happy with 3800/LS1 again.
People buy the base Mustang because they like the looks, not because the base engine has awesome power blah blah blah.
The base needs adequate power and great styling to ever compete with the Mustang. The Z28/SS has never been a problem, power is great (although more never hurt us)
People just aren't buying an "engine in a box"...we need a nicer box, not a nicer engine.
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I'm begining to think that there is a tendancy here to think that we are loosing track of what Camaro's shortcommings really are.
The problem isn't engine, or a lack of power. The current 3800 V6 has the same horsepower rating as the 93-95 5.0 Mustang V8, and Ford's 96 & 97 4.6 OHC V8's, and the LS1 has more grunt than Mustang's GT or Cobra (new Cobra excepted).
As far as I'm concerned, if Camaro comes back with the same engines as it has now, but sheds about 250 pounds, people will buy them up if it looks good & is more practcal.
07-26-2002, 08:10 PM
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the problem is, camaro is likely not going to shed any lbs. but is likely to put on a few extra. 250hp/260lb-ft should be the starting point for any fifth-gen. that will no only offset the extra weight, but also make it quicker. With most new midsized sidans doing less than 15 seconds in the quarter (sometimes much less), it would be criminal to let the base camaro languish.
kill the 3800 already.
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kill the 3800 already.
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07-29-2002, 01:43 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by morb|d:
the problem is, camaro is likely not going to shed any lbs. but is likely to put on a few extra. 250hp/260lb-ft should be the starting point for any fifth-gen. that will no only offset the extra weight, but also make it quicker. With most new midsized sidans doing less than 15 seconds in the quarter (sometimes much less), it would be criminal to let the base camaro languish.
kill the 3800 already.
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the problem is, camaro is likely not going to shed any lbs. but is likely to put on a few extra. 250hp/260lb-ft should be the starting point for any fifth-gen. that will no only offset the extra weight, but also make it quicker. With most new midsized sidans doing less than 15 seconds in the quarter (sometimes much less), it would be criminal to let the base camaro languish.
kill the 3800 already.
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07-31-2002, 01:06 AM
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if it is based on the sigma platform as everyone is predicting it to be (which is still just gossip), then it will most likely be heavier because of the inharent charecteristics of that platform.
08-01-2002, 04:23 AM
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SS=BS we don't need it. If it is in the 5th it better not be ahead of the Z28 in any way if they are smart. IMO dimensions for a 5th should be between the 1st Gen and Third Gen cars and weigh around 3,200-3,400 lbs. No more than that if possible. And I have to say as I have before and agree with others that there HAS to be more than 2 engines unless there is going to be a real difference in the way they "mod" them to make more power for certian models, not just a few HP and TQ with slight suspension upgrades and things. Difference in models is a good thing and they better learn how to do that again.
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08-01-2002, 06:15 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IZ28:
SS=BS we don't need it. If it is in the 5th it better not be ahead of the Z28 in any way if they are smart. IMO dimensions for a 5th should be between the 1st Gen and Third Gen cars and weigh around 3,200-3,400 lbs. No more than that if possible. And I have to say as I have before and agree with others that there HAS to be more than 2 engines unless there is going to be a real difference in the way they "mod" them to make more power for certian models, not just a few HP and TQ with slight suspension upgrades and things. Difference in models is a good thing and they better learn how to do that again.
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SS=BS we don't need it. If it is in the 5th it better not be ahead of the Z28 in any way if they are smart. IMO dimensions for a 5th should be between the 1st Gen and Third Gen cars and weigh around 3,200-3,400 lbs. No more than that if possible. And I have to say as I have before and agree with others that there HAS to be more than 2 engines unless there is going to be a real difference in the way they "mod" them to make more power for certian models, not just a few HP and TQ with slight suspension upgrades and things. Difference in models is a good thing and they better learn how to do that again.
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08-01-2002, 09:52 AM
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If there are people who will pay an extra $3,500 for a $450 hood intake & exhaust system that makes produces nil difference in performance & a suspension system that cost no more money to make than the standard Z28 components, also with neglible improvements, then it's fine to continue to make SS the top model.
It's more money to make the just-as-fast-for less-money Z28 for the rest of us. We aren't talking Cobras vs GTs here.
It's more money to make the just-as-fast-for less-money Z28 for the rest of us. We aren't talking Cobras vs GTs here.
