Do u think this could be a possibility as a base engine for the 5th gen?
07-22-2002, 04:49 PM
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Do u think this could be a possibility as a base engine for the 5th gen?
If it would have GM's I6 in the camaro as a base engine. would you like that instead of a v6?
I would.
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07-22-2002, 11:58 PM
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that is one thing i thought of, they could put the I5 that was in the bel air concept
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07-23-2002, 09:25 AM
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The I6 could possibly fit in an engine compartment the size of the 4th gens. It would have to be in a slant configuration similar to the slant 6's in BMW's (isn't it BMW?). On the other hand, I DO NOT think the I6 will fit in the F5. I am thinking the F5 will have a smaller engine compartment (a result of GM reeling in the length of the car). I do think the next generation of V6's will be there along with the next C6 base motor (detuned of course).
Then again, I also think 4th gens are superior to 3rd gens. And I also think that the evolution of pigs will eventually give them the ability to fly...
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Then again, I also think 4th gens are superior to 3rd gens. And I also think that the evolution of pigs will eventually give them the ability to fly...
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07-23-2002, 11:20 AM
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An I5 would be just fine- maybe a turbo option?
As for the 3800- kill it already! I know it's a good engine, produces good power and cheap to make (but so would the Shortstar if they had been building it for decades!)
It sounds like crap- at idle anyways.
But it can only do so much. Too bad they killed the 3.5 DOHC- if they had put it in more models- untit price would've gone down.
As for the 3800- kill it already! I know it's a good engine, produces good power and cheap to make (but so would the Shortstar if they had been building it for decades!)
It sounds like crap- at idle anyways.
But it can only do so much. Too bad they killed the 3.5 DOHC- if they had put it in more models- untit price would've gone down.
07-23-2002, 11:44 AM
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I am not as excited about the I5 for passenger car use as I once might have been.
People that have driven the BelAir concept tell me it is not a smooth, pleasant engine to drive.
Maybe it should stay a truck engine.
My money is on the new "high value" family of pushrod V6's for a Camaro base engine.
People that have driven the BelAir concept tell me it is not a smooth, pleasant engine to drive.
Maybe it should stay a truck engine.
My money is on the new "high value" family of pushrod V6's for a Camaro base engine.
07-23-2002, 11:58 AM
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I'm wondering if it's physically possible to fit I6 into current fourth generation car. I don't think that it has enough room, and I6 is longer than LT1/LS1. It's tight as it is already.
They'd have to do some major changes to the front end for F5 (like reduce those two feet of radiator and bumper space).
They'd have to do some major changes to the front end for F5 (like reduce those two feet of radiator and bumper space).
07-23-2002, 12:27 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 305fan:
An I5 would be just fine- maybe a turbo option?
As for the 3800- kill it already! I know it's a good engine, produces good power and cheap to make (but so would the Shortstar if they had been building it for decades!)
It sounds like crap- at idle anyways.
But it can only do so much. Too bad they killed the 3.5 DOHC- if they had put it in more models- untit price would've gone down.</font>
An I5 would be just fine- maybe a turbo option?
As for the 3800- kill it already! I know it's a good engine, produces good power and cheap to make (but so would the Shortstar if they had been building it for decades!)
It sounds like crap- at idle anyways.
But it can only do so much. Too bad they killed the 3.5 DOHC- if they had put it in more models- untit price would've gone down.</font>
they didn't kill it, it is just evolving into teh 3.6L I think.
As for the 3800 it will live forever. The 3800X2 blown V6 that was in the G-force is likely to be made in 270-280hp trim ...and may find it's way in the 04 Impala SS
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07-23-2002, 12:35 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 305fan:
An I5 would be just fine- maybe a turbo option?
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An I5 would be just fine- maybe a turbo option?
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07-23-2002, 03:44 PM
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what i was thinking, if the i6 wont fit, the i-5 for a base engine, turbo i-5 for the RS making about 290 hp, New V-8 or maybe LS6 pumping 380 hp for the Z28, then toned up version making 410 hp in the SS.
I know, I know, keep dreaming, but as i say, we are stepping into the second era of muscle car wars.
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07-23-2002, 07:49 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by muckz:
I'm wondering if it's physically possible to fit I6 into current fourth generation car. I don't think that it has enough room, and I6 is longer than LT1/LS1. It's tight as it is already.
They'd have to do some major changes to the front end for F5 (like reduce those two feet of radiator and bumper space).</font>
I'm wondering if it's physically possible to fit I6 into current fourth generation car. I don't think that it has enough room, and I6 is longer than LT1/LS1. It's tight as it is already.
They'd have to do some major changes to the front end for F5 (like reduce those two feet of radiator and bumper space).</font>
IMO I agree so far as it is way too powerful for a base engine being near 280 HP. A base engine Camaro doesn't need to be much more than 220, with a middle engine option in the upper 200 range and Z28 using Corvette's motor again.
SS is only a decoration package as has been demonstrated by all Chevys wearing the SS name (Camaro included), so a 400+ version isn't realistic based on that history.
07-23-2002, 09:38 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
The 4th gen has a whole lot of wasted space up front. There is a tight fit around the exhaust, but you can easily chop a foot off the nose & still fit an I6 lengthwise, so I wouldn't discount it as too long for the 5th gen. That haven been said, GM has already all but chisled in stone that the I6 will NOT be a passenger car engine but that the I5 will.
IMO I agree so far as it is way too powerful for a base engine being near 280 HP. A base engine Camaro doesn't need to be much more than 220, with a middle engine option in the upper 200 range and Z28 using Corvette's motor again.
SS is only a decoration package as has been demonstrated by all Chevys wearing the SS name (Camaro included), so a 400+ version isn't realistic based on that history.</font>
The 4th gen has a whole lot of wasted space up front. There is a tight fit around the exhaust, but you can easily chop a foot off the nose & still fit an I6 lengthwise, so I wouldn't discount it as too long for the 5th gen. That haven been said, GM has already all but chisled in stone that the I6 will NOT be a passenger car engine but that the I5 will.
IMO I agree so far as it is way too powerful for a base engine being near 280 HP. A base engine Camaro doesn't need to be much more than 220, with a middle engine option in the upper 200 range and Z28 using Corvette's motor again.
SS is only a decoration package as has been demonstrated by all Chevys wearing the SS name (Camaro included), so a 400+ version isn't realistic based on that history.</font>
Even though RP has told us that there won't be money for more than 2....I think that third intermediate motor would really help bridge the gap between entry V6 and all out V8 in many prospective buyer's minds.
07-23-2002, 10:26 PM
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I think the "high value" V6 is another evolution of the 60 degree- GM has a test engine 230hp- unblown too.
Yeah I know the 3800 while be around for awhile...hopefully only a few more years.
Funny the 3.5 DOHC was suppoised to replace it!
A turbo I5- would only be 250-290hp max- the hi$ Z28 should be a 350 minimum
Yeah I know the 3800 while be around for awhile...hopefully only a few more years.
Funny the 3.5 DOHC was suppoised to replace it!
A turbo I5- would only be 250-290hp max- the hi$ Z28 should be a 350 minimum