CTS sales on the rise
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by AronZ28
This is why AWD should not be on the Camaro:
1. It will unneccsarry complexity and increase the cost of the car.
2. It goes against all that the Camaro had stood for its 35 years.
3. It would add weight to the car. Our Camaro needs to be kept as light as possible(ideally it should be about 3000lbs, but that is never going to happen)
4. We don't need something else that will break and tear up, especially when you start modding the car to 500whp.
1. It will unneccsarry complexity and increase the cost of the car.
2. It goes against all that the Camaro had stood for its 35 years.
3. It would add weight to the car. Our Camaro needs to be kept as light as possible(ideally it should be about 3000lbs, but that is never going to happen)
4. We don't need something else that will break and tear up, especially when you start modding the car to 500whp.
I never said AWD had to be manditory on every Camaro.
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by AronZ28
This is why AWD should not be on the Camaro:
1. It will unneccsarry complexity and increase the cost of the car.
2. It goes against all that the Camaro had stood for its 35 years.
3. It would add weight to the car. Our Camaro needs to be kept as light as possible(ideally it should be about 3000lbs, but that is never going to happen)
4. We don't need something else that will break and tear up, especially when you start modding the car to 500whp.
1. It will unneccsarry complexity and increase the cost of the car.
2. It goes against all that the Camaro had stood for its 35 years.
3. It would add weight to the car. Our Camaro needs to be kept as light as possible(ideally it should be about 3000lbs, but that is never going to happen)
4. We don't need something else that will break and tear up, especially when you start modding the car to 500whp.
In defense of the idea (I am pretty much open to the idea)
1) Not if the platform used already has an AWD capability built into it... which Sigma does. Of course, since the platform seems to be up in the air, this too would be up in the air.
2) Ya, maybe, but you can look at the history of Camaro ad pick a ton of things that coudl be "against the history" of the car... In 82, the car became a hatchback... in 93, it got plastic body panels, and was built outside the USA... there are a ton more. Making an AWD option is not much different than any of these, and you could still buy one without it, unlike the features above.
3) I'd think it would only add weight to the car if you opted for the AWD, though I am not an engineer, so I suppose it is possible that the design to have it option COULD add weight to a non AWD car, but I kind of doubt it.
4) Again, with it being optional, you can simply choose a RWD model.
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by Darth Xed
In defense of the idea (I am pretty much open to the idea)
1) Not if the platform used already has an AWD capability built into it... which Sigma does. Of course, since the platform seems to be up in the air, this too would be up in the air.
2) Ya, maybe, but you can look at the history of Camaro ad pick a ton of things that coudl be "against the history" of the car... In 82, the car became a hatchback... in 93, it got plastic body panels, and was built outside the USA... there are a ton more. Making an AWD option is not much different than any of these, and you could still buy one without it, unlike the features above.
3) I'd think it would only add weight to the car if you opted for the AWD, though I am not an engineer, so I suppose it is possible that the design to have it option COULD add weight to a non AWD car, but I kind of doubt it.
4) Again, with it being optional, you can simply choose a RWD model.
1) Not if the platform used already has an AWD capability built into it... which Sigma does. Of course, since the platform seems to be up in the air, this too would be up in the air.
2) Ya, maybe, but you can look at the history of Camaro ad pick a ton of things that coudl be "against the history" of the car... In 82, the car became a hatchback... in 93, it got plastic body panels, and was built outside the USA... there are a ton more. Making an AWD option is not much different than any of these, and you could still buy one without it, unlike the features above.
3) I'd think it would only add weight to the car if you opted for the AWD, though I am not an engineer, so I suppose it is possible that the design to have it option COULD add weight to a non AWD car, but I kind of doubt it.
4) Again, with it being optional, you can simply choose a RWD model.
Thank you for the support
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
I can understand the resistance to the idea, though... no doubt.
Heck, I'm against the base model have a 4-banger, and I wouldn't even be considering a base model... so... to each his own.
I guess I can just see AWD as being a potentially valuable addition to the nameplate.... and it certainly would open the car up to more folks who are afraid of RWD in the snow.
Heck, I'm against the base model have a 4-banger, and I wouldn't even be considering a base model... so... to each his own.
I guess I can just see AWD as being a potentially valuable addition to the nameplate.... and it certainly would open the car up to more folks who are afraid of RWD in the snow.
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
still, engineering for an AWD option will ultimitly drive the price up on all models. And the fbody never did do away with RWD and the V8 in the early 80's. It was a rare breed with the B-body and Vette being the only other cars that didn't get converted to FWD back then.
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by AronZ28
still, engineering for an AWD option will ultimitly drive the price up on all models. And the fbody never did do away with RWD and the V8 in the early 80's. It was a rare breed with the B-body and Vette being the only other cars that didn't get converted to FWD back then.
If we were talking about developing an AWD system to tack on to the old F-platform, I'd probably be against the idea....
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by Z28x
Why is it that some people around hear have a hard time grasping the meaning of the word OPTION 
The only way I'd allow it is if it was used on the V6's and even then I still hate the idea.
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by KillerTA
I don't want it as an option. I want the top of the line Camaro to be a V8 RWD car (preferebly with the SS logo). I don't want to have a realy nice RWD V8 car and then have the top of the line be an AWD v8.
The only way I'd allow it is if it was used on the V6's and even then I still hate the idea.
The only way I'd allow it is if it was used on the V6's and even then I still hate the idea.
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by KillerTA
I don't want it as an option. I want the top of the line Camaro to be a V8 RWD car (preferebly with the SS logo). I don't want to have a realy nice RWD V8 car and then have the top of the line be an AWD v8.
The only way I'd allow it is if it was used on the V6's and even then I still hate the idea.
The only way I'd allow it is if it was used on the V6's and even then I still hate the idea.
You could get either or... they'd both be "top of the line"...
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by Darth Xed
Just curious, but, what would it matter if the top-of-the-line V8 came with both RWD or AWD?
You could get either or... they'd both be "top of the line"...
You could get either or... they'd both be "top of the line"...
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by jawzforlife
So you weren't telling the truth when you said AWD would taint the Camaro's image. What you really mean is...you're afriad somebody will have a better car than you becuase they like the AWD option.
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by KillerTA
If everything is identical, the AWD would outperform the RWD making it top of the line.
If that is the case, then why not embrace the idea? I think a lot people would like the idea of having an even better performing option...
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by KillerTA
Making the car higher quality, better looking, higher performance, will put it over the top.
Originally Posted by KillerTA
If everything is identical, the AWD would outperform the RWD making it top of the line.
Glad so see you've finaly come to your sences.
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Re: CTS sales on the rise
Originally Posted by Darth Xed
If that is the case, then why not embrace the idea? I think a lot people would like the idea of having an even better performing option...