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I'm in favor of the Retro look. And, as mentioned earlier, I'd be wary of letting GM design it (they'd probably find some 90 year old who is on his deathbed, to scribble something on paper, "Okay, we'll go with it!" )


Sure, it takes obvious cues from the 1st Gen but I think there are enough modern curves (and not to forget the technology and safety, as mentioned) to draw in some younger, and non-enthusiasts. I don't think it will be as big as the upcoming Stang but I'd still much rather go with it (the Camaro).


P.S. Please, just don't f*** up the interior as the up and coming Stangs are doing (that boring, 2x4, mid 80's GM dash board design ).

Good work.

 

I like my car but.............I think I'd have to trade it in if that came into production.....

 

But the number of guys "doing it" or that can afford to "do it" are few and far between. I'm talking about the multitudes who would "do it" if they had the means and the ability to do so.

A retro Camaro will bring "ProTouring" to the masses. I'm of the opinion they'd out sell the 4th gens by a long shot.

 

Hmmm...

If w quality-built car with the right features is offered, I don't really know that Retro vs. Evolutionary vs. Revolutionary really would come into play... would it?

Even a full-blown, all out retro F5 would not be a 69 Z/28...

Prowler... Thunderbird... while these cars are in a higher price range, they were retro 'sports' cars... I dont think that helped them much. Yes, we can argue equipment and power... but still...

 

I'll bite. I don't like the retro. Why? Because I'm only 19. I love my thirdgen. It's always been reliable as well as good looking. I get tons of compliments from random people about how well my car looks. I personally love the look of the car. It's rounded, but not too much. It has square lines on it, you can see the styling from all generations on it's styling. One thing I particularly love is the front end. It's awsome. Don't get me wrong, the first gen front end is great looking, but I don't want it on my car. Some of you may say "well other people love the first gen, so they should make one that looks very retro." I disagree. The camaro has always been made (supposedly at least) for the younger crowd. Sure, a lot of the older crowd wants one, and can afford one, but that leave the younger crowd out. they can't afford one. If they can't afford one now, they'll take their loyalty to a different car. Look at the import tuner crowd. Those companies will have tons of support when the kids grow up and want to buy a new car.

If the camaro were to just target men in their 40s-50, then the product line would be severely hurt. There would be no loyalty to carry on. I don't like the concept, a lot of my friends who are as old as I am don't like the concept, simply because it's too retro.

I say chevrolet build a car that is evolutionary with styling concepts from all of the generations. Don't just target one genre, you ned to get a lot of people excited over a car for it to be a success.

 

P.S. I hate this keyboard.

 

Let GM build that evolutionary car... but as soon as the Camaro is appealing to the "ricers" is the same time I finally say forget GM and go buy a :: shudder :: Mustang.

I'm 21 and I LOVE the retro look, plenty of people around our age do as well Mutiny32.

Besides, GM is trying to make money, and most 19 year olds aren't going to run out and buy a $27,000 car. They'll go out and buy some "sport compact" for 18-20K if they're buying new.

If they don't go retro that's fine with me... as long as they come back and are what they've always been, a RWD V8 MUSCLE car.

 

You misunderstood me. I didn't imply they make it into a ricer car, I implied thereason why there are ricer cars is because import cars can be made fast. you can buy them cheap. They don't get the fact that you can't build them up cheaply, but that's beside the point. I just want an evolutionary muscle car. I don't want an old school car. And I'll be one of the first on the list for a new camaro when they come back. If they come back like this concept, I'd be more inclined to buy a corvette. And I make enough money to own a new f-body. Even if it is $25-30K.

 

Um...I'm 19. I have very little faith in my generation at times. They always think: old=low tech=crap. I like the First Gen styling on my design because it is a throwback to when cars were still American icons and symbols of power. An evolutionary Camaro would most likely come out looking like some beefed up sport compact. Look at the new GTO. There's nothing (externally) that states that it is named after an American legend. In fact, it's just a rebadged Austalian car. While not a really bad thing, this is what I could see happening to the Camaro as well. Us younger guys aren't the target group for the Camaro. Not at all. Cavaliers and Malibus are geared toward the younger buyers and are priced accordingly. Camaros haven't really been cheap recently and are geared at the late "'20's and up" group. I won't try to make you like it though. You can't please everyone ya know.


As for this:
I can indeed see that happening, but in reality, guys our age won't still be rice-boys in their 30's and 40's. By then they will either be ready for a real car or will perhaps look elsewhere. By "real car" I mean a more expensive sports car. A lot of younger import owners own them because it is all they can afford given their situation. When they are older, then they will want a car that is higher in price and quality. I don't know though. I'm just expressing my thoughts on this matter. Anyone else could see it completely the other way around.

I am interested to hear the responses from people my age though.

-Kris

 

I'm 17 and i like this. Ya, there are somethings on the car i would change like i personally dont like the black door handles and i would rather have the headlights be more flush looking instead of sticking out an inch or so. But there are a lot more things that i like. I like how the front kinda slopes down and, to me, kinda gives it a more aggressive, pissed off look. I think the 4th gen should have been more aggressive looking, that could have helped sales. I like the fact that this concept has a real trunk that seems like u can actually fit some stuff in it and still be able to see out the back of it. The blindspots seem to be almost non existent compared to 4th gens. and u can probably see where the car ends when sitting down in it. I have had many, many people sit down in my car and the first thing they say is "How do u drive this" or "how do u know where it ends" because in 4th gens u cant see the end of the car which really isnt that safe. Plus the exhaust on this car looks a lot more badass and the wheels are nicer looking as well. The slight spoiler adds a nice touch as well.

Personally, I am generally not a huge retro fan, the cars can often be disapointing, and not very exciting, ie the new t-bird. But this one is exciting and looks built for a large amount of horses under the hood. This one isnot a feminie retro car like the new tbird is. This car, to me, perfects the first gen styling idea, but is not a carbon copy or anywhere close, you can tell this car is different and not full blown retro.

To sum up my probably hard to read rambling, this car has personality. Personality that 4th gens lacked. I would be a very proud owner/driver of this car when (hopeful thinking) it comes out. Good Job Kris and keep up the good work. Hell maybe design a Firebird and see how it comes out, maybe try that be more evolutionary with classic cues. GJ KH!

 

Why?

The 2nd and 3rd and 4th Gen Camaros or Firebirds were not retro styled, and they certainly do not have a 'ricer' precense. Neither do any of the Corvette Generations... and I doubt C6 will have a 'ricer' look.

This kind of sweeping statement really doesn't hold much water...

 

Yeah but its probably the direction the bean-counters will end up pushing.

As far as the 2nd, 3rd and 4th gens not being retro... that is because retro wasn't "in" at the time... although I do see a lot of 2nd gen in the overall shape of the 4th gens.

To be honest I want the 5th gen to go in one of two directions... either (a) be basically a 1st gen homage vehicle with modern components, or (b) something completely new and different (which would leave out simply rebadging a Holden product)... just as long as there's a RWD 6spd V8 available with at least 375 HP.

P.S. And lose the T-tops! They're so Disco '77!

 

I know that the previous generations didn't have anything in common with sport compacts, I was just saying that this is what I could see GM doing as an alternative to a retro design. It doesn't mean that that is what they will do, but it isn't entirely unlikely....

-Kris

 

Great work man!! Wish you weren't so h*ll bent on going to GM. They'll work whatever talent you have in you right out.

As for the design/pics, they are awesome. The only complaint I have is the car is to low to the ground. That front end looks like it's 2 inches above the road there. No way it's driveable. But it sure looks sweet...

 

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