CAW Workers Vote to Authorize Strike...
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SSBaby: The obvious question begs.. if that is the case, why belong to a union?
BTW, Do you think that Honda or Toyota would be paying "comparable" wages and benefits to their employees if they weren't afraid of unionization??
They threatened to make their employees foot 100% of their healthcare if a Union was adapted @ Honda.
Unions can help you keep your job from curtailment, downsizing, etc..where otherwise you would NOT have a voice...Job Security...or the closest thing to it nowadays.
Yes, Unions ARE still a useful tool in being heard by a mega-corporation.
*On another note, if gas prices keep rising, you'll see what a real union can accomplish for the working class. The Teamsters will NOT tolerate a much larger increase in fuel prices without a Nationwide Sit-Down....rumors are already flying!...
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Re: CAW Workers Vote to Authorize Strike...
Originally Posted by Obiwanls1
1. Do you work at the auto plant??? Do you know how much work is involved?? Again just because they get paid and have good benefits, doesnt mean they should lose them. Replacing the workers might change the quality of the product. Do not sit there and rant about blah blah blah
"they get paid too much" "I am jealous and they should do whatever GM says"
you are not in their situation. They have familys to protect.
"they get paid too much" "I am jealous and they should do whatever GM says"
you are not in their situation. They have familys to protect.
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Re: CAW Workers Vote to Authorize Strike...
im seeing quite a few domestic cars here listed.
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article....47&src=LP+used
does the union get credit for this as well?
actually a few *** cars are union made too.
http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/cont...s.shtml#Toyota
are these vehicles poorly made?
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article....47&src=LP+used
does the union get credit for this as well?
actually a few *** cars are union made too.
http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/cont...s.shtml#Toyota
are these vehicles poorly made?
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Re: CAW Workers Vote to Authorize Strike...
Originally Posted by CLEAN
What significantly better products are you referring to?
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Originally Posted by CLEAN
What significantly better products are you referring to?
Perhaps it's not so much who puts them together, as it is who designs the things.
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Originally Posted by jfischer
Cars like the Honda Accord, and Toyota Camry. I apologize for painting everyone with the same brush. It just seems that most of the folks at work that have domestic vehicles are always having problems with them, and at relatively low mileage. Transmission sensors that go out, bad rotors (you f-body guys know what I mean!), bearings going out in axles, etc. Stuff that really shouldn't be breaking at 50,000 miles. The Honda/Toyota owners seem to go 200,000 miles with little or no troubles.
Perhaps it's not so much who puts them together, as it is who designs the things.
Perhaps it's not so much who puts them together, as it is who designs the things.
exactly.if the big three choose to use subpar parts its not the fault of the people putting them together.
im not buying they cant afford quality parts either.the fact is they cant afford NOT to make quality parts and reliable vehicles.
fact is GM has alot of well built cars as i just showed so theres no reason why all their makes cant be.
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Re: CAW Workers Vote to Authorize Strike...
Originally Posted by jfischer
Cars like the Honda Accord, and Toyota Camry. I apologize for painting everyone with the same brush. It just seems that most of the folks at work that have domestic vehicles are always having problems with them, and at relatively low mileage. Transmission sensors that go out, bad rotors (you f-body guys know what I mean!), bearings going out in axles, etc. Stuff that really shouldn't be breaking at 50,000 miles. The Honda/Toyota owners seem to go 200,000 miles with little or no troubles.
Perhaps it's not so much who puts them together, as it is who designs the things.
Perhaps it's not so much who puts them together, as it is who designs the things.
Honda Toyota owners? 200,000 miles? my last toyota went 115k before the engine was replaced and the tranny was replaced...
I know plenty of GM people who have 250,270,300k+ miles on there car and nothing has been done but oil changes and maybe fan belts... i know one guy has a blazer with 370k miles on his car and its all still same engine, never rebuilt... no rebuilt tranny, just a damn good product...
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SSBaby: The obvious question begs.. if that is the case, why belong to a union?
Here's their answer....
Uhh-h? We don't engineer the products. We build them , with the quality of materials given us, to the BEST of our ability....We also don't make decision to ship sub-standard products.....Believe me, NOONE is more critical of our work and products than we are! 
Sadly, the few dollars or pennies saved by buying "cheap" parts gives domestics a tarnished image, thank the Bean-Counters for that...
NOT, that are products are "significantly" worse anyways...
Here's their answer....
Today, all of us from all sectors of our union — IPS, Skilled Trades, TOP, Agricultural Implement and Aerospace — stand on the shoulders of those brave and bold men and women who defied all odds with courage, imagination, determination and solidarity.
Over the decades, the bargaining gains won by the UAW in the areas of wages, benefits, retirement security, working conditions, health and safety, worker empowerment and family programs have set the standard for America’s workers. We have played a defining role in helping blue- and white-collar workers achieve the American dream.
But we have never been a union concerned only with another nickel in the paycheck. The democratic values and vision of the UAW for social and economic justice for all working people have also defined who we are as a union.
From fighting racial discrimination in the United States to standing against apartheid in South Africa to denouncing China’s abuse of workers’ rights, the UAW remains committed to continuing the struggle for human dignity, equality and justice for all.
As we look through these pages, we are reminded that our union was built by ordinary working people who accomplished the extraordinary because they believed deeply in the dignity of work as well as the dignity of all workers.
We can pay homage to those who came before us by paving the way for those who will come after us. As we face new and different challenges, we must do so as our brothers and sisters have done for 70 years: with courage, imagination, determination and solidarity.
~ The UAW International Executive Board
Over the decades, the bargaining gains won by the UAW in the areas of wages, benefits, retirement security, working conditions, health and safety, worker empowerment and family programs have set the standard for America’s workers. We have played a defining role in helping blue- and white-collar workers achieve the American dream.
But we have never been a union concerned only with another nickel in the paycheck. The democratic values and vision of the UAW for social and economic justice for all working people have also defined who we are as a union.
From fighting racial discrimination in the United States to standing against apartheid in South Africa to denouncing China’s abuse of workers’ rights, the UAW remains committed to continuing the struggle for human dignity, equality and justice for all.
As we look through these pages, we are reminded that our union was built by ordinary working people who accomplished the extraordinary because they believed deeply in the dignity of work as well as the dignity of all workers.
We can pay homage to those who came before us by paving the way for those who will come after us. As we face new and different challenges, we must do so as our brothers and sisters have done for 70 years: with courage, imagination, determination and solidarity.
~ The UAW International Executive Board
Everyone has families to protect. Replacing the workers would probably increase the quality of the product. Ever notice how non-union Japanese manufacturers in American plants turn out significantly better products than the unionized American manufacturers?
Sadly, the few dollars or pennies saved by buying "cheap" parts gives domestics a tarnished image, thank the Bean-Counters for that...
NOT, that are products are "significantly" worse anyways...
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Re: CAW Workers Vote to Authorize Strike...
Originally Posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
im stating GM quality is greatly improving so does the union get credit for that too as well as being criticized for hurting it?
And as far as the healthcare thing goes, it's healthcare thats broken, not GM's UAW members. I can understand there's alot of cost there, and why it's a target in GM's eyes, but it's not the UAW's fault that healthcare costs are skyrocketing.
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Originally Posted by CLEAN
It wasn't for you, you beat me to the punch responding to the guy above you. I'm glad it was finally stated what the real problem is in terms of quality. The same UAW members who make the notorious POS cars are the same ones that work over at Corvette and Cadillac. It's not the quality of the build, its the quality of the parts and design.
And as far as the healthcare thing goes, it's healthcare thats broken, not GM's UAW members. I can understand there's alot of cost there, and why it's a target in GM's eyes, but it's not the UAW's fault that healthcare costs are skyrocketing.
And as far as the healthcare thing goes, it's healthcare thats broken, not GM's UAW members. I can understand there's alot of cost there, and why it's a target in GM's eyes, but it's not the UAW's fault that healthcare costs are skyrocketing.
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the UAW remains committed to continuing the struggle for human dignity, equality and justice for all.
Don't get me wrong, I admire the dedication of the workers at GM for continually producing dependable products at equal or better quality than the competition but... isn't there a time when the UAW needs to listen to the voice of the car maker and glance an eye on the balance sheet to figure out that that car maker is in urgent need of help?
This is where Japanese work ethics differ to that of the Western nations... we seem to be more content to screw ourselves.
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Don't get me wrong, I admire the dedication of the workers at GM for continually producing dependable products at equal or better quality than the competition but... isn't there a time when the UAW needs to listen to the voice of the car maker and glance an eye on the balance sheet to figure out that that car maker is in urgent need of help?
This is where Japanese work ethics differ to that of the Western nations... we seem to be more content to screw ourselves.
This is where Japanese work ethics differ to that of the Western nations... we seem to be more content to screw ourselves.
When you keep giving and the very next contract more is asked, you have to draw the line somewhere...when is it enough??
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I just remembered something that happened 12 years ago, when I worked at a Japanese company...since most think they're so great.
We were in a "Downturn" and we were facing some layoffs, for the first time. We all met in the Caffeteria and it was decided that we would go down to a 32 hour work week, to stave off the Layoffs. Also that year we were told we would'nt be able to have raises @ review time..."times are too tough".
We worked through those several months believing all that was told us.
We found out a short time later that they JUST PURCHASED A 6.6 BILLION DOLLAR movie studio!!!!
Boy did they fool us....
We were in a "Downturn" and we were facing some layoffs, for the first time. We all met in the Caffeteria and it was decided that we would go down to a 32 hour work week, to stave off the Layoffs. Also that year we were told we would'nt be able to have raises @ review time..."times are too tough".
We worked through those several months believing all that was told us.
We found out a short time later that they JUST PURCHASED A 6.6 BILLION DOLLAR movie studio!!!!
Boy did they fool us....
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Re: CAW Workers Vote to Authorize Strike...
Originally Posted by Chrome383Z
Ford really should have put the work into this car instead of the Mustang.
A nice RWD tarus with a live axle would probably sell very well
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