Yea the LS2 coupled with a Blower would be awesome. Put that on some low volume special edition and crank it to ~450hp. Wouldn't take much. Then enthusiasts can do a simple pulley swap and boom 500+hp. It opens the door to so much more then a N/A engine.

The Vette is still in it's own world of performance. Leave the LS7 to the Vette and even a blower for it down the road .

 

I'd rather have a turbo'd LS2....

 

 

If its turbo, I'd pull it off and sell it on ebay. Why keep all that exhaust heat around, when a supercharger will do it, with a simple belt! I hate turbos! I doubt they will go that route! Turbo is just to make the shop a lot of money on the install! I'm much more an N/A guy myself, if anything I'd rather they went with a SCer. Certainly the new small block is plenty capable N/A. However it was pointed out to me once on here, that a factory installed SCer isn't so bad, considering the internals that would go along with it. I am also thinking Ford raised the bar with the SCed Cobras, and there would almost have to be, a Camaro with at least an optional SCer. I think things are going to heat up pretty good soon...but it can't happen fast enough!

 

Yeah....a simple belt that'll sap a lot of hp .

Look at the 550hp Ford GT, the supercharger drains over 100+hp at redline . No thanks. Just imagine how much more powerful it would be if the blower wasn't using up so much in the process.

I'd do the complete opposite of you. If i bought it with a blower, i'd put the blower on ebay and put a nice fat single turbo in its place under the hood.

 

Yeah, but the new Ford GT has a nice fat torque curve, whereas your "nice fat single turbo" is going to have far from that.

 

LS3 has technically been done too.

L92 is a new Gen IV V8 for the GMT900 Chevy trucks

 

Just watched it Tim. Very funny.

BTW, I came from the corporate world. It convinced me to become self-employed.

 

If you're racing then you spend very little time outside of the turbo's spooling area anyway. Then there's things like less stress on the motor when you're into the boost, more easily modifying the amount of boost, and better gas milage.

 

Quick thoughts on the first 4 pages...

Why was Z/28 chosen to go against the GT500 and SRT-8? It seems to me Z/28 should be chosen to compete against Mach 1 or Boss 302 variants. The Shelby GT500 is a car in another league - refinement, upgrades, and specialties on top of a simple HP gain and suspension upgrade. Did you guys know the armrests, dash, console, and steering wheel are all topgrain leather in the gT500 - not plastic or vinyl? Seats are awesome. The Shelby will indeed be something special to the eye as well as the dyno.

As for the HP wars... if this showdown is going to happen, it better come d@mn soon. I don't think the 500hp days are going to live into 2010 and beyond. There are already several activist groups lobbying for legislation to restrict such vehicles as "immoral" and "environmentally unsound". We just had an accident in Gastonia 2 weeks ago where two people were racing down a street, 1 lost it, and the car (a Camaro by chance) plowed into a line of people waiting outside a Dairy Queen. Article w/ photos. Lobbyists and parents are all flocking over this, and wanting local officials to "stop the racing at any cost", as well as lobbying against cars like the Camaro and Eclipse that were involved as being "irresponsible". Like it's the car instead of the driver... Go figure.

The IRS-thing again... As long as BoyRacer Mustangs are stomping on the CTSv, the Porsche 966, the Porsche 996, the BMW M3, and all the others in Grand Am racing with it's "antique buggy" axle - I don't think it's gonna be a big issue. If it's not your cup-o-tea, so be it, but it is working on the track against IRS-equipped cars so I wouldn't beat on it to hard. Grand Am Cup 200 California 200 Miller Cup 200
What's more embarrasing...
offering old technology that works well on the cheap, or getting your new-technology-having-**** whipped by the old stuff?

Supercharging vs. turbo...
Ever had to replace a turbo for bearing failure?
Ever had the wastegate get stuck open or closed?
Ever wanted Tq at less than 2500rpm?
Granted, SC's have their issues too, but for 100k miles of trouble-free driving, the SC owns the turbo right now.
Why do you think the commercial market has moved away from turbos and towards SC's? For customer cost savings at time of purchase or because of warranty/repair work after the sale?
And as for power-robbing... putting a big flow valve and an impeller in the exhaust stream does NOTHING to reduce power output of an engine now, does it? I guess that's why all us gearheads spend so much money replacing our factory headers and exhausts with larger, free-flowing aftermarket units. You know that silly "air-pump" thing, "scavenging", and the like.
Turbos have their place - no doubt. I have one on a diesel and would not own the diesel without it, but in high-performance applications turbos tend to offer incredible performance... just not for very long.

Glad to see this thread didn't dissolve into another Z/28 vs. SS thread - I was getting worried for a bit.
Back to the issue of Z/28 against GT500... wouldn't it be great if GM did a retro-venture with Yenko or somebody the way ford has with Shelby. That way, they could offer a 475hp Yenko Camaro and not have to worry about the Corvette ceiling, a Z/28 that costs too much, or an SS that is "underloaded" with options.

Regardless, I'm as giddy as a teenage girl at a Brad Pitt sleepover watching all these performance cars come rolling out of factories today.
I just can't help wondering when it will come to a halt though...

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but SLP was not involved with the 96 and 97 SS.

 

Lets also not forget that the GT500 motor is a detuned version of the GT's 550hp 5.4. THe only difference is the GT500 has an iron block, and its a wet sump with less boost(same screw type sc). So you pump up the boost and add exhaust, intake and tuning and wala. Just imagine how well the 03,04 cobra responded to simple bolt ons and multiply.

GM, SLP, whoever will have to have one serious motor weather it be NA or SC. If its NA it better be making 450hp and seriously be choked by its intake and exhaust so when the bolt on wars begin we will still be able to hang. And I hope the make the motor stout enough take all of the power.

The Z28 need to compete(I say compete......) with the Mustang GT and if they think about anything to compete the GT500 they need to qutie trying to save a dollar and do what they used to and put one bad A motor in the SS. Or tell Berger or SLP to take and do a little more than BS bolt ons. I dont think SLP should have the rights to the Camaro SS anymore. Just my .02

And whoever said the the Vette is a blessing and a curse is right. 100%

 

Wouldn't it be great to see Camaro vs Mustang vs Challenger competing head to head in a road race series again. I mean, the thought just gives me goosebumps.

One quick note on FR500C Mustang. It's doing VERY well, no doubt about it. Ford Racing put a strong package together. I think one of the reasons that Grand Am allowed the homologation of such a robust package for Mustang, was to make sure that CTSv didn't dominate.

Of course if I were in charge of the rules...I think I'd tell Ford to homologate the R50 motor in street cars. Just a thought.

 

Does anybody else other then me think that Domestics offering these cars are a big boost to their perception.

Kids have to be drueling over these cars. I think they'd drop their "Import" bias after seeing any one of these cars roar down the street. I think we're in for a change with younger generation leaning on the Domestics for performance - not the other way around.

Sucks to be a "Tuner" right now. Just think how they'd feel pulling up to a stop 4 deep with a Challenger, Mustang, and Camaro sitting beside them. Probably break down and cry, lol.

 

SLP made all the 4th gen SSs.
In 96 and 97, it wasn't on the factory option list.
But starting in 98, all SLP options were on the option list as second-sticker options.