Camaro variant development.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
I wouldn't be surprised if Chevy will end up selling more 5th gen Camaros during year number one of it's intro, than they sold from 1998-2002.....combined.
I wouldn't be surprised if Chevy will end up selling more 5th gen Camaros during year number one of it's intro, than they sold from 1998-2002.....combined.
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Originally posted by Z28Wilson
I would be. I don't have the numbers in front of me but averaging about 40,000 cars a year during that 4 year run, which I believe to be about right, you've got ~160,000 units. You really think they'd top that in year one of Gen 5?
I would be. I don't have the numbers in front of me but averaging about 40,000 cars a year during that 4 year run, which I believe to be about right, you've got ~160,000 units. You really think they'd top that in year one of Gen 5?
I think it's safe to say that first year 5th gen volume will far, far exceed what we were used seeing from the 4th gen.
The point was, that we should not try to take 4th gen experiences..and try to make them fit the 5th gen.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
I'd say....forget all the 4th gen paradigms. They don't necessarily apply to a new, high volume car. I wouldn't be surprised if Chevy will end up selling more 5th gen Camaros during year number one of it's intro, than they sold from 1998-2002.....combined.
*that is, if they build a Camaro*
I'd say....forget all the 4th gen paradigms. They don't necessarily apply to a new, high volume car. I wouldn't be surprised if Chevy will end up selling more 5th gen Camaros during year number one of it's intro, than they sold from 1998-2002.....combined.
*that is, if they build a Camaro*
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Originally posted by Z28x
About 190,000-200,000 Camaros were built from 98-02. I don't think the 5th Gen would see those volumes. I think 100,000 is a good target, AWD and 3 engine could push production up to 125K-150K
About 190,000-200,000 Camaros were built from 98-02. I don't think the 5th Gen would see those volumes. I think 100,000 is a good target, AWD and 3 engine could push production up to 125K-150K
Everyone happy?
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What if the badge "RS"("Rallaye" Sport) was used for an AWD package, just as the Name implies....a Rallaye Car?
Let's say: some round fog lights, slight "fender flare" type trim, etc...But really more of a "Hardware Package" than a "Visual Package".
The "SS" needs to have the "Top" powerplant to be true to it's useage across the board...as the R/T is used at Chr/Dal...still reserving the "ALL OUT" Z28 with "Top engine, Top Suspension etc.."
Let's say: some round fog lights, slight "fender flare" type trim, etc...But really more of a "Hardware Package" than a "Visual Package".
The "SS" needs to have the "Top" powerplant to be true to it's useage across the board...as the R/T is used at Chr/Dal...still reserving the "ALL OUT" Z28 with "Top engine, Top Suspension etc.."
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What if the badge "RS"("Rallaye" Sport) was used for an AWD package, just as the Name implies....a Rallaye Car?
What if the badge "RS"("Rallaye" Sport) was used for an AWD package, just as the Name implies....a Rallaye Car?
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v8 and awd would definatly get my attention!! 6 speed, 350+hp and awd w/ not turbo lag? good bye STi!!
I think an awd option would be a real upset to all the WRXs/ Evos out there, completely destroying any advantage they have now. Plus, think of the 60' times you could get with AWD and low end v8 torque! (better make that transfercase stout
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looking at all the different combinations that have been thrown out here, any one of them would be pretty good. However, we'll have to simply wait and see what happens when any 5th gen shows up.
I think an awd option would be a real upset to all the WRXs/ Evos out there, completely destroying any advantage they have now. Plus, think of the 60' times you could get with AWD and low end v8 torque! (better make that transfercase stout
)looking at all the different combinations that have been thrown out here, any one of them would be pretty good. However, we'll have to simply wait and see what happens when any 5th gen shows up.
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Mustang is certainly going to be the excitement car pretty soon, and I think when performance coupes start selling again (my guess within the next coupe of years), Mustang's going to be seen as the only game in town.... Camaro or no Camaro.
Chevrolet isn't going to have more than 3 versions of Camaro, and 2 of them are likely to have the same engine (SS & Z28 should it return). GM's thinking is that they also have the Colbalt and Monte Carlo to cover other areas where Mustang would cover, so they don't need to invest is a variety of Camaros.
Why do I say this?
Actual statements from GM people:
*"Mustang only has 1 V8 engine" (Ford had 2 with a 3rd on the way at the time).
*"Camaro has 2 different V8 engines" (it actually has 1 engine with 2 intakes).
*"Camaro anniversary SS isn't just a cosmetic package"
*"Most people who bought a Grand Am coupe, also considered a Mustang" (never mind it was the V6 Mustang that was primarily considered & WHY they chose the Grand Am... room and rebates )
Not exactly encouraging.
Chevrolet isn't going to have more than 3 versions of Camaro, and 2 of them are likely to have the same engine (SS & Z28 should it return). GM's thinking is that they also have the Colbalt and Monte Carlo to cover other areas where Mustang would cover, so they don't need to invest is a variety of Camaros.
Why do I say this?
Actual statements from GM people:
*"Mustang only has 1 V8 engine" (Ford had 2 with a 3rd on the way at the time).
*"Camaro has 2 different V8 engines" (it actually has 1 engine with 2 intakes).
*"Camaro anniversary SS isn't just a cosmetic package"
*"Most people who bought a Grand Am coupe, also considered a Mustang" (never mind it was the V6 Mustang that was primarily considered & WHY they chose the Grand Am... room and rebates )
Not exactly encouraging.
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Originally posted by guionM
*"Most people who bought a Grand Am coupe, also considered a Mustang" (never mind it was the V6 Mustang that was primarily considered & WHY they chose the Grand Am... room and rebates )
*"Most people who bought a Grand Am coupe, also considered a Mustang" (never mind it was the V6 Mustang that was primarily considered & WHY they chose the Grand Am... room and rebates )
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Next Camaro SS variant:
CAMARO SSx5.3 (x for AWD, like 325iX or G35X)
- 325 hp 5.3
-AWD
-5 speed auto, standard
-standard 18" wheels with special offsets for AWD
-very high option content, upscale interior, end of decade wireless communication technology, On Star, etc.
- base price $28,250
-Possibly coupe only....convertible and AWD may push it up an EPA weight class.
This car would weigh 250 lbs more than SS5.3...mostly due to AWD system.
Would share drivetrain with Buick Riviera.
CAMARO SSx5.3 (x for AWD, like 325iX or G35X)
- 325 hp 5.3
-AWD
-5 speed auto, standard
-standard 18" wheels with special offsets for AWD
-very high option content, upscale interior, end of decade wireless communication technology, On Star, etc.
- base price $28,250
-Possibly coupe only....convertible and AWD may push it up an EPA weight class.
This car would weigh 250 lbs more than SS5.3...mostly due to AWD system.
Would share drivetrain with Buick Riviera.
Last edited by Z284ever; Mar 8, 2004 at 03:07 PM.
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Originally posted by guionM
Chevrolet isn't going to have more than 3 versions of Camaro, and 2 of them are likely to have the same engine (SS & Z28 should it return). GM's thinking is that they also have the Colbalt and Monte Carlo to cover other areas where Mustang would cover, so they don't need to invest is a variety of Camaros.
Why do I say this?
Actual statements from GM people:
*"Mustang only has 1 V8 engine" (Ford had 2 with a 3rd on the way at the time).
*"Camaro has 2 different V8 engines" (it actually has 1 engine with 2 intakes).
*"Camaro anniversary SS isn't just a cosmetic package"
*"Most people who bought a Grand Am coupe, also considered a Mustang" (never mind it was the V6 Mustang that was primarily considered & WHY they chose the Grand Am... room and rebates )
Not exactly encouraging.
Chevrolet isn't going to have more than 3 versions of Camaro, and 2 of them are likely to have the same engine (SS & Z28 should it return). GM's thinking is that they also have the Colbalt and Monte Carlo to cover other areas where Mustang would cover, so they don't need to invest is a variety of Camaros.
Why do I say this?
Actual statements from GM people:
*"Mustang only has 1 V8 engine" (Ford had 2 with a 3rd on the way at the time).
*"Camaro has 2 different V8 engines" (it actually has 1 engine with 2 intakes).
*"Camaro anniversary SS isn't just a cosmetic package"
*"Most people who bought a Grand Am coupe, also considered a Mustang" (never mind it was the V6 Mustang that was primarily considered & WHY they chose the Grand Am... room and rebates )
Not exactly encouraging.
Last edited by IZ28; Mar 8, 2004 at 03:56 PM.
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Originally posted by guionM
Mustang is certainly going to be the excitement car pretty soon, and I think when performance coupes start selling again (my guess within the next coupe of years), Mustang's going to be seen as the only game in town.... Camaro or no Camaro.
Chevrolet isn't going to have more than 3 versions of Camaro, and 2 of them are likely to have the same engine (SS & Z28 should it return). GM's thinking is that they also have the Colbalt and Monte Carlo to cover other areas where Mustang would cover, so they don't need to invest is a variety of Camaros.
Why do I say this?
Actual statements from GM people:
*"Mustang only has 1 V8 engine" (Ford had 2 with a 3rd on the way at the time).
*"Camaro has 2 different V8 engines" (it actually has 1 engine with 2 intakes).
*"Camaro anniversary SS isn't just a cosmetic package"
*"Most people who bought a Grand Am coupe, also considered a Mustang" (never mind it was the V6 Mustang that was primarily considered & WHY they chose the Grand Am... room and rebates )
Not exactly encouraging.
Mustang is certainly going to be the excitement car pretty soon, and I think when performance coupes start selling again (my guess within the next coupe of years), Mustang's going to be seen as the only game in town.... Camaro or no Camaro.
Chevrolet isn't going to have more than 3 versions of Camaro, and 2 of them are likely to have the same engine (SS & Z28 should it return). GM's thinking is that they also have the Colbalt and Monte Carlo to cover other areas where Mustang would cover, so they don't need to invest is a variety of Camaros.
Why do I say this?
Actual statements from GM people:
*"Mustang only has 1 V8 engine" (Ford had 2 with a 3rd on the way at the time).
*"Camaro has 2 different V8 engines" (it actually has 1 engine with 2 intakes).
*"Camaro anniversary SS isn't just a cosmetic package"
*"Most people who bought a Grand Am coupe, also considered a Mustang" (never mind it was the V6 Mustang that was primarily considered & WHY they chose the Grand Am... room and rebates )
Not exactly encouraging.
And I really hope the Camaro has more than 3 variations. Part of the greatness of Camaros history are the many high performance variations. There needs to be a big horse in Camaros line-up thats just looked at as being mythical like the ZL1s.
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