I don't see the base Camaro being cheaper than a Monte Carlo and that price is $21,820

NO HUBCAPS, 16" standard 17" option, if GM can't afford 2 rims on the base car just go with the 17"

Dual Chrome exhust tips are a must, the Tiboron has them, NO more rusty single turn down pipe

245HP 3.9L pushrod V6, shouldn't cost much more that it's 3.4L sister engine, the base Camaro needs to be as powerful as other V6 cars.

IRS, it will be cheaper if they just build all the cars with it.

Painted A-pillers on non-T-top cars, I think the C5 and F4 look a little funny when the roof is any color but black, anyone else ever notice this?

 

There needs to be three trim levels and maybe a few special editions ( like a yenko ).

base rs: 3.6l 255hp v-6 used in the cts. 4-speed auto or 6speed manual. 16in rims cloth seats

z/28: 300-320hp 5.0l v8. Yes chevy (GM) needs to bring back the 302 engine. I don't see the point of putting the 350ci engine in both the z/28 and the ss. 6-speed manual or 5-speed auto. 17 or 18 in rims. traction control 13in brakes. Make it kind of like the track model of the 350z. Recaro seats. Also put a IRS in it.


ss. 350-400hp 5.7l v8. 6speed manual or 5-speed auto. 18 in rims. Solid rear axle (no IRS). leather seats. All the options you could want in the interior.

Since ford may be bringing the boss 302 back as a special edition of the mustang and maybe a shelby . GM needs to do the same with the camaro.

Yenko: 427ci 450-475hp v8 6-speed manual. cowl induction hood (just for looks ). Very limited production.

Let me reemphasize my point on differetiating the Z28 and ss. Make the z28 more of a canyon carver and the ss more for straightline fun. I believe that putting the same basic engine in both cars is dumb. Why pay the extra money for a ss if the z28 has the same engine. By bringing back the 302 you are not only seperating the 2 trim levels but you are also bringing back a important part of camaro history.

 

Thought I dont know if I like the z28 being the "canyon carver" and the SS being the straight line, he is definately right about having separate engines. Look at ford. Theyre using this tactic and its working great.

 

..be shocked if we get more than two engine choices....but who knows?!?

 

Yeah...for now it's probably going to be a 3.9L v6 and a 6.0L v8. Most enthusiasts should be fairly happy with the 6.0L.

 

Wasn't the z28 originally a homolgation car for the transam series?

It was a better handling car than the ss.

 

By 2007, the base car sticker is going to be closer to $30K... so those of you dreaming of a sub $20k 5th gen Camaro... keep dreaming.

Personally I could care less about the base car.

Here's what I want in a 5th gen Camaro....

450+HP V8. (Or take the Mustang Cobra's projected HP rating and just add 10% )
six-speed manual. (Maybe even something exotic with a semi automatic and paddle shifters located on the steering wheel.)
2+2 seating. (The back seat needs to be big enough for a couple of midgets... but I could care less about comfort for the occasional adult.)
2 cup holders in front. (In case my wife wants a drink as well.)
Dual Front Power Leather seats, PW, PL, AC
AM/FM/CD (six disc changer optional)
17x9 rims (and some fat ZR-rated tires)
Agressive suspension is a must
Rear trunk that'll fit a golf bag and a small piece of luggage. (Don't need a hatchback persee, but a fold down rear seat would be nice.)
Agressive styling and stance that screams CAMARO.

That's about it. No stripes... No hood scoops, unless they're functional... no flashy gimicky ricer-accessories.

Price? I could care less. Even if its close to the base Corvette... I'll still buy it.

 

While I agree that the base car MSRP will be higher than some are hoping for... MY2007 is only 3 years away... I don't think we'll be pushing $30k for a base car.

I'd guess a base MSRP at around $20/$21k for starters.

 

i agree with the statement so much it hurts (btw i dont care which car, either z28 or SS is top dog, thats irrelevant. i just want a CAMARO. dont care which.) anyway as much as the camaro needs to get away from the "kids car" and "mullet head" stigmatism, it also needs to get away from the "handeling like a boat" stigma. i am a huge fan of fbodies, always have been, and always will be. but since i currently drive an import i have read a lot of those guys opinions. and what they generally agree on is that while the camaro may be fast in a straight line, it has nothing in the corners, and this is where it turns a lot of people off. i think for the F5 to be truely succesful (with both the import and domestic crowd) that at least one model needs to handel well. just like jackass said, make one model more straight line blasts, and another more curve sensative. i can say right now i would personally buy the afformentioned z28 to have an all around good sports car, fast, handels well, looks good, and doesnt cost as much as a corvette. (isnt this what a camaro is supposed to be???) remember guys, there is more to a sports car than goin fast in a straight line. this DEFINITLY needs to be addressed.

thoughts?

 

Do me a favor guys. Let's stay focused on the base car.

Following threads will cover Z/28 and SS.

 

I am fairly certain that those will be our powertrain choices.

 

Then I disagree with this whole topic.

We should start with the Top Dawg Camaro. After that is decided on, worry about the base model.

The base model should be looked upon as just a vehicle for increasing sales to allow for production of the Top Dawg Camaro.

I seriously doubt that the average base Camaro buyer even cares about this stuff enough to even visit this website.

 

well, we wouldnt want to have to delete this whole thread, then start over with "the top dawg" now would we?

 

....to be more productive to stay with the PacerX thread(s) using the spreadsheet and tweaking it further....than getting side-tracked with other lines of thought.

PacerX said that he would compile and revise the spreadsheet and I'm hosting it....see the "Like I said..." thread. http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...hreadid=165041

 

The ability to go fast in a straight line and handle were NOT problems with the 3rd and 4th gens. In fact, they did both rather well. I really don't understand where the idea that modern Camaros can't handle comes from.


-Mike