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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 10:35 AM
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true but its still in camaros history.
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 11:12 AM
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I want a true pony car from Chevy. If it is a real pony car, like they were when the segment was first developed in the sixties, and it is from Chevy I'll probably buy it, depending on the price. If it isn't called Camaro, I won't boycott Gm or Chevy. It is not just the name I am buying. Will I be sad if it is not called Camaro? Yes, but I would buy the car. That would be silly.
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 12:28 PM
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To me the name is very, very important. the enthusiast will not buy the car and think, "this is a Camaro" even if it says panther, chevelle etc.. if GM can't call the Camaro-Camaro, then just leave it like that on hiatus, don't make it look and feel like a Camaro, and stamp a Chevelle, panther name on it


PD, also they would loose the hard core Camaro fans, the ones that buy the car even if it large, short, fast or not..
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 12:54 PM
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It would **** a lot of people off I'm sure but either way they are going to complain about something. I've been saying this for a long time, I'm afraid it won't be done right(in my eyes) so I just wish GM would leave the name plate alone and come out with something different.
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 03:07 PM
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If the car looks like a 2007/8 Camaro, GM should do whatever it can to call it Camaro. If it's not possible I would still buy one if I can afford it because the car is more important than the name.
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 06:49 PM
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I've done my best to read the board every day for the past two years, keep up with everything I can 5th gen related, etc. Through that I've learned that GM owns the Camaro name, recognizes its importance, wants to build a performance coupe, knocked down the old plant, took care of most or all of the employees of the old plant with new jobs or early retirements or etc. If after all that, there is still such a huge reason they cant use their own highly recognizable name, then I certainly wont blame bob lutz & crew, but I'm also not interested.

The only, and I mean absolute ONLY, way I would buy this performance coupe from Chevy without the Camaro name on it would be if they named the v6 an RS and the v8 a Z28, acknowledging that some issue has "camaro" tied up temporarily, but that it is indeed a camaro with camaro badging. The auto world is in love with using meaningless, stupid numbers to name cars now, so it wouldnt see so odd, and atleast these numerics mean something. Use the camaro emblem, the camaro nomenclature (rs, ss, z28, 1le, iroc, rs/ss, there is plenty throughout the years), post ads showing old camaros with this new Z28, (hell let the aftermarket sell a taillight panel with the name CAMARO embossed in it), and then take your time to get the name situation fixed.

I'm not 100% loyal to GM, nor to Chevy in particular. I dont work there, I dont make money from them, I'm not being given products I want, and I'm still more loyal than most. What I am directly loyal to is a concept, the performance driven mod-ready average-size/weight American RWD v8 coupe. And from that, I am brutaly loyal to CAMARO in particular because of its role in defining that concept. The enthusiasts are the minority, which is why we may not get what we want, but since guion is asking us, I think its clear alot of us dont want a "close enough" after what we have been through.

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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 08:35 PM
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Just a thought along some suggestions here:

can they go with RS, SS and Z28 models? Simply Chevy RS, Chevy SS, Z28, etc...
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 09:24 PM
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This is sad. I hope that GM can come up with some way to use the name. Obviously, there is alot of people here in the know that keep coming up with these same type posts. It just shows us that are not nearly in the know that the name is in serious jepardy. I know that the current management isn't to blame. It still sucks and knowing whose to blame or not to blame doesn't make it any better. Most fo us here have been trying to keep the faith and patiently (or somewhat patiently) waiting for a new car. Then when it all looks like there is a glimmer of hope on the horizon, we get smacked up the head with this name stuff. It's very frustrating. The Mustang crowd must be loving this. We had a car that kicked thier butt on the street for several years, then we didn't have a car, now we may eventually get a car, but we might not get the name. It's crazy.

Several people are asking "What if GM does everything they can do to keep the name, but can't, will you still buy the car?" As badly as GM has treated the Camaro crowd, it would be hard to convince most, if not all, of that crowd that GM did all they could do. It would seem too much like lip service. Sorry to be negative, but perception is reality and this is the perception out there. I know, and most everyone here knows,
there is a small but motivated group inside GM (Red Planet, et al) that really is trying thier damnest to keep the name on the car and we all appreciate their efforts. But when it comes down to the bottom line, I want a car I can be proud of with the name I want.......that name is Camaro.

Would I be interested in the car w/o the name? Sure, I'm interested in almost anything Chevy does. I'd look at the car, drive the car and consider buying the car. Chevy would actually have to try to sell me the car. It wouldn't be a sure sell by any stretch. It may completly drive me out of that market and I'd find another hobby. I may fall in love with it and buy it in a heartbeat, it all depends on the car.
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 09:36 PM
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Its gotta be Camaro. No question.

No way im buying the car unless it clearly states Camaro somewhere on the vehicle.

Sorry, but if it doesnt, i'm happy with my Mustang.
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Harden
Again, I don't think Guy was saying that Chevrolet wants to call it something else....it's just might happen that they have to call it something else to be able to build it....(within the foreseeable future). It's really that serious of an issue at this point.

The question is: If they do their damnest to use the Camaro name, BUT still have to come up with a new name (or an old one as the Chevelle) to be able to get back in the pony/musclecar business.....and it resembles a Camaro in either looks or execution, will you still buy it? What if GM has NO other reasonable choice?

Let's face it, IF GM wanted to use another name...they'd do it in a heartbeat! But there's a few serious issues thay may cause them to have to forgo the name in the cause of getting a car built.

GM is NOT taking this lightly....hence the battles still raging over this issue....
Well, if this is true, then either pay off the Canadian government the money you owe, or, perhaps stike a deal and re-open the plant out in canada which was closed.

Providing that this, 'rumor' is true.

Of course, they could call the new coupe, the Z/28 I bet. How would people feel about that?

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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 11:07 PM
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God, if those articles are right, and the plant IS demolished, nevermind. GM really screwed up.

Unless they got a major deal with Canada going again, I really don't see any new Camaros coming out anytime soon.

For what it's worth, if a new "z/28" came out, but wasn't called the Camaro, I would totally pick it up, knowing full well what z/28 stands for. I'd think we would all call it the new Camaro, but you wouldn't have to officially.

*sigh*
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 11:16 PM
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Assuming the car is what I want it to be, a CAMARO name would give it automatic bonus points over any competitors. I am loyal to GM and would want to buy a GM car over a different make, but the name Camaro is just an added incentive to buy that car.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 02:38 PM
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For me, it must be a Camaro. My garage isn't plastered with Chevelle posters. They are Camaro posters. My dream isn't to own a muscle car from every generation... it is to own a Camaro from every generation. The books, models, calendars, etc in my house... they are all Camaro... no other car. I have no brand loyaty to Chevrolet or GM per se,... just Camaro... and I think many enthusiasts are like me. We just love the car and would feel disloyal if we tried to replace it with a a close imitation. It is akin to cheating on your wife with her twin sister. May look and feel the same, but it is just plain wrong.

What I find fascinating in this discussion is how some characterize what GM "can" and "can't" do... which is complete rubbish. The issue is what GM WILL or WILL NOT do, and if they CHOOSE not to call the vehcile Camaro, I wish them the best of luck and hope the car is successful, but I will not buy one. It must be true to the car's heritage (2+2, RWD, V-8 performance car, base price under $25K) and it must wear the badge "Camaro."

Big AZz alluded to the only possible compromise. If there are still legal issues or certain anti-Camaro marketing types who make the Camaro name impractical, name each trim/engine configuration of the new vehcile RS, SS, or Z28. This may pacify some enthusiasts... I'd be curious to learn if any marketing studies have been done on that idea.

I am hopefull that GM doesn't underestimate Camaro's "halo" value. While most people wouldn't consider the car a "halo car" like Viper or Ford GT, it is fascinating how many "non-car" folks are familiar with the Camaro, what it stands for... and are completely shocked that the car is no longer produced. It just seems like the world is a little out-of-balance when there are no new Camaros rolling off the line when the Mustang is alive and well.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tanker Don
For me, it must be a Camaro. My garage isn't plastered with Chevelle posters. They are Camaro posters. My dream isn't to own a muscle car from every generation... it is to own a Camaro from every generation. The books, models, calendars, etc in my house... they are all Camaro... no other car. I have no brand loyaty to Chevrolet or GM per se,... just Camaro... and I think many enthusiasts are like me. We just love the car and would feel disloyal if we tried to replace it with a a close imitation. It is akin to cheating on your wife with her twin sister. May look and feel the same, but it is just plain wrong.

What I find fascinating in this discussion is how some characterize what GM "can" and "can't" do... which is complete rubbish. The issue is what GM WILL or WILL NOT do, and if they CHOOSE not to call the vehcile Camaro, I wish them the best of luck and hope the car is successful, but I will not buy one. It must be true to the car's heritage (2+2, RWD, V-8 performance car, base price under $25K) and it must wear the badge "Camaro."

Big AZz alluded to the only possible compromise. If there are still legal issues or certain anti-Camaro marketing types who make the Camaro name impractical, name each trim/engine configuration of the new vehcile RS, SS, or Z28. This may pacify some enthusiasts... I'd be curious to learn if any marketing studies have been done on that idea.

I am hopefull that GM doesn't underestimate Camaro's "halo" value. While most people wouldn't consider the car a "halo car" like Viper or Ford GT, it is fascinating how many "non-car" folks are familiar with the Camaro, what it stands for... and are completely shocked that the car is no longer produced. It just seems like the world is a little out-of-balance when there are no new Camaros rolling off the line when the Mustang is alive and well.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tanker Don
For me, it must be a Camaro. My garage isn't plastered with Chevelle posters. They are Camaro posters. My dream isn't to own a muscle car from every generation... it is to own a Camaro from every generation. The books, models, calendars, etc in my house... they are all Camaro... no other car. I have no brand loyaty to Chevrolet or GM per se,... just Camaro... and I think many enthusiasts are like me. We just love the car and would feel disloyal if we tried to replace it with a a close imitation. It is akin to cheating on your wife with her twin sister. May look and feel the same, but it is just plain wrong.

What I find fascinating in this discussion is how some characterize what GM "can" and "can't" do... which is complete rubbish. The issue is what GM WILL or WILL NOT do, and if they CHOOSE not to call the vehcile Camaro, I wish them the best of luck and hope the car is successful, but I will not buy one. It must be true to the car's heritage (2+2, RWD, V-8 performance car, base price under $25K) and it must wear the badge "Camaro."

Big AZz alluded to the only possible compromise. If there are still legal issues or certain anti-Camaro marketing types who make the Camaro name impractical, name each trim/engine configuration of the new vehcile RS, SS, or Z28. This may pacify some enthusiasts... I'd be curious to learn if any marketing studies have been done on that idea.

I am hopefull that GM doesn't underestimate Camaro's "halo" value. While most people wouldn't consider the car a "halo car" like Viper or Ford GT, it is fascinating how many "non-car" folks are familiar with the Camaro, what it stands for... and are completely shocked that the car is no longer produced. It just seems like the world is a little out-of-balance when there are no new Camaros rolling off the line when the Mustang is alive and well.
My sentiments exactly and the twin sister thing was a disturbingly appropriate analogy.



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