"Camaro": More trouble than it is worth?
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
.....And Solstice, and Sky....c'mon Darth ol' buddy, get with it. 
But you do have a point there...
Seriously guys, the info that has been posted by Z284ever and GuionM (to an extent) does not necessarily even point to a delay in the Camaro launch. So Zeta coupes are undergoing massive scrutiny within GM, and the result could be the axing of GTO. Yeah it sucks for Poncho fellas, yeah I think GTO should be around for Pontiac (with the demand for horsepower, this simply is the right time for a well-executed GTO IMO).....but you have to look at the silver lining, and within that silver lining I say GM has actually grown a BRAIN when it comes to Camaro. If Camaro comes out saved from what may have been a watered-down version of Zeta as its platform, then maybe it's for the best. And yes it will be worth it to GM in the end because a properly done Camaro should be able to outsell whatever GTO they can come up with by a 4-1 margin!
So let's all just step back, and ask yourself a question: would you rather have both a GTO and a Camaro which are both very similar in size, weight, and even sheetmetal, or are you willing to sacrifice GTO for Camaro's greater good?
So let's all just step back, and ask yourself a question: would you rather have both a GTO and a Camaro which are both very similar in size, weight, and even sheetmetal, or are you willing to sacrifice GTO for Camaro's greater good?
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Re: "Camaro": More trouble than it is worth?
Originally Posted by Darth Xed
Well, Solstice and Sky are roadsters not coupes...
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Re: "Camaro": More trouble than it is worth?
teh GTOs are already Hott epecially the 05 (little things like dual exhaut make me happy) if i had teh money id purchae one now and wait till the camaro come back then id purchase one to if i actually like them .
i dont think GM should go retro with teh new camaro , granted they will prolly look a hell of alot better than the ugly a$$ mutang but ive always been a fan of teh 4th gen body style
dont go the route of the GTO and turn a great looking sports car into somthing that looks like a family sedan (even tho i do like it alot it grew on me)
do somthign a little sportier , with a lower hood line flatter body lower stance and it will look hott,
i dont think GM should go retro with teh new camaro , granted they will prolly look a hell of alot better than the ugly a$$ mutang but ive always been a fan of teh 4th gen body style
dont go the route of the GTO and turn a great looking sports car into somthing that looks like a family sedan (even tho i do like it alot it grew on me)
do somthign a little sportier , with a lower hood line flatter body lower stance and it will look hott,
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Re: "Camaro": More trouble than it is worth?
Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
I figured if you used Corvette as GM's "only" coupe, Solstice and Sky would certainly apply. I'm very ready for GTO to take another break if and only if it gives Camaro a chance to "be all it can be", so to speak.
Now... I dunno....
I just like having more options to choose from.
Since it's been unilaterally declared that Firebird won't be back, losing GTO means theres just one less optiono in RWD V8 Coupes... in an already small world of choices.
Add to that the fact that we will "probably" have another gap at GM if Camaro does actually get pushed back, and it's just a frustrating situation to me.
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Darth you know I'm not picking on you, but has your new-found love for the GTO possibly clouded your opinions about the future of it? 
The reason I ask is that you said you'd agree with my stance "in the not so distant past", and I know you picked up your '04 Goat in the "not so distant past" as well.
The reason I ask is that you said you'd agree with my stance "in the not so distant past", and I know you picked up your '04 Goat in the "not so distant past" as well.
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Re: "Camaro": More trouble than it is worth?
Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
Darth you know I'm not picking on you, but has your new-found love for the GTO possibly clouded your opinions about the future of it? The reason I ask is that you said you'd agree with my stance "in the not so distant past", and I know you picked up your '04 Goat in the "not so distant past" as well.
The reason I ask is that you said you'd agree with my stance "in the not so distant past", and I know you picked up your '04 Goat in the "not so distant past" as well. You are probably right... it probably has coulded my opinions, to be honest.
But, I'll say this too... having gotten married and building a new house over the last 2 years, I've really expanded my view of potential vehicles...
As an example, I'll probably be looking at some sort of truck for my next vehicle, because I've found it is almost a must have when owning a house... a need I never had before.
My short list for a new vehicle (would be 12-16 months from now) is actually an Avalache, a Sillverado SS, or a F150 Lariat.
They all have distinct advantages to me:
Avalanche is the most versitile of the three, IMO.
Silverado SS would giove me the most "sports car" fun , while still having a truck utility.
F150 would give me a level of quality and appearance in the interior area that I have grown to enjoy form the GTO.
Sigh.... maybe I'm just getting old...
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Re: "Camaro": More trouble than it is worth?
Originally Posted by Gold_Rush
Wow, is it just GM or things really this complicated in the auto-business? I've never seen so much drama surround one car...EVER. This is crazy.
GM also seems to have a bad habit of listening to complaints from critics who arent even the target customer, and blowing off complaints/feedback from people who are the target customer. I know this is not always the case as an exception would be hood scoops on the GTO
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Personally? Somewhere in the last round of "we are chaning the platform the car is rumored to be designed on....again" hand-wringing, I lost all capacity to care anymore about the future of the Camaro or the Fcar in general.
I just don't care. The timeline for arrival is now too far out in to nethertime as to be meaningful to me. I'm quite content to enjoy my current car and am forced to assume for the forseeable future that nothing new will be along to replace it.
So, news about cars getting cancelled and platforms changing and a state of flux.....who cares? I don't. I've wasted too much emotion and energy caring for the past 3+ years and its time to move on. If something happens, great, I look forward to reading the magazine reviews on the new car.
But, I'm not holding my breath anymore.
I just don't care. The timeline for arrival is now too far out in to nethertime as to be meaningful to me. I'm quite content to enjoy my current car and am forced to assume for the forseeable future that nothing new will be along to replace it.
So, news about cars getting cancelled and platforms changing and a state of flux.....who cares? I don't. I've wasted too much emotion and energy caring for the past 3+ years and its time to move on. If something happens, great, I look forward to reading the magazine reviews on the new car.
But, I'm not holding my breath anymore.
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Re: "Camaro": More trouble than it is worth?
from another thread...
you know, i've found that if i tease my dog with food, she'll eventually leave, and i can't get her to come near the food i'm holding at all...
Originally Posted by number77
good as in what? are we at the point to where things are still in the air? while i know redplanet has been saying "have faith," i even put it in my sig, but what does this mean. back when we first heard about the camaro leaving we found out it would come back around 2006. that made some people mad, and other madder when it was told 2007. we were told to have faith and word was that when we would get the camaro it would be everything we ever dreamed of. but how can those claims have been made in 2001, 2002 and 2003, when in 2005 we still don't know if we'll even get a car? red has a bit to do with advertising and i've always assumed that since he was telling us this stuff on his own time, and even going out of his way on trips to different cities to have a chat with some of out member that he was saying this from a friends point of view. i'm not questioning red's motives because i know he is a great guy. but i am now wondering if he is even "in the know"
ps: i know the internet can make written statements sound as if your mad or something. just for clarification to those that read this i'm not mad, but i am growing a bit concerned.
ps: i know the internet can make written statements sound as if your mad or something. just for clarification to those that read this i'm not mad, but i am growing a bit concerned.
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Re: "Camaro": More trouble than it is worth?
Originally Posted by Darth Xed
As an example, I'll probably be looking at some sort of truck for my next vehicle, because I've found it is almost a must have when owning a house... a need I never had before.
I could see my self trading in for a V8 Colorado though. That or a Silverado SS would be just the right vehicle for those of us that need a truck, but don't want to give up that Camaro style acceleration.
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Re: "Camaro": More trouble than it is worth?
Originally Posted by IREngineer
What you are experiencing is a rollercoaster of emotion. Get ready, because it isn't going to end in the next 6 months for sure...probably a year.
What everyone needs to remember is that the auto business is a customer-driven market. The GTO proves it in my opinion. If you are in the market for a vehicle, don't wait on anything . There is just too much uncertainty out there to be waiting for what is for all intensive purposes a pipedream.
We all need to take a step back and avoid reacting to every bit of info that bounces around here. Let the info come and go, and take it as a grain of salt. A large grain of salt, but a grain none the less.
And who knows how much dis-information is being posted on here every day.
What everyone needs to remember is that the auto business is a customer-driven market. The GTO proves it in my opinion. If you are in the market for a vehicle, don't wait on anything . There is just too much uncertainty out there to be waiting for what is for all intensive purposes a pipedream.
We all need to take a step back and avoid reacting to every bit of info that bounces around here. Let the info come and go, and take it as a grain of salt. A large grain of salt, but a grain none the less.
And who knows how much dis-information is being posted on here every day.
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Re: "Camaro": More trouble than it is worth?
Originally Posted by Darth Xed
OK, that said... is the name "Camaro" worth the trouble it's causing at GM?
ABSO-FRIGGIN'-LUTELY!
Love the GTO, but if it needs to be sacrificed for the greater good of Non-Corvette-Affording people, so be it.
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Originally Posted by Discgolf
ABSO-FRIGGIN'-LUTELY!
Love the GTO, but if it needs to be sacrificed for the greater good of Non-Corvette-Affording people, so be it.
Love the GTO, but if it needs to be sacrificed for the greater good of Non-Corvette-Affording people, so be it.
Not sure I understand what you are saying...
Think about it, unless you are in the market for a V6 Camaro, a new Camaro isn't going ot be a whole lot cheaper than the GTO is right now...
Perhaps a little bit cheaper, but I doubt it would be drastically cheaper in V8 form.