Buickman

Hate to repeat but when he became CEO in 2000 we were worth $66 BILLION. He has lost over 75% of our value. That my friend is FAILURE!!!

Darth Xed

Have any plans of researching the 9/11 effect, and researching what Ford's percentage of value is from the same dates, like I've mentioned earlier?

I don't understand why you would want to avoid these numbers, unless they blow "The Plan" into little pieces.

Buickman

In Aug of 01 I sent an email to Lovejoy which he distributed to all VSSM. It called for a national, simplified incentive program. As you remember, that's exactly what we did to get America rolling. So you can say what you please, The Plan works.
As to Ford, why don't you do the research? I haven't the time, but would be interested to know the info.

falchulk

So GM's program that kept sales and maybe the economy rolling after 9/11 was all your idea?

Buickman

Didn't say that. Only said I sent email imploring simplicity. The fact that it was in Aug 01 is only coincidence.

Darth Xed

Ya, I got that from that too... also interesting that it was his plan................... In AUGUST, last time I checked, Sept 11th happened AFTER August.

Also, the President Of The United States Of America called GM and personally asked GM to offer some incentives to keep the economy moving. GM's response were the incentives that worked so well at the time.

As for me looking up the Ford #'s...... I don't really know where to find them, that's why I am asking you to support you own plan.

If I find the numbers for you, are you gonna cut me in for a percentage of what you make, if anything, on your plan?

Buickman

Anyone with significant contributions should be "cut in". However, I've learned, as have suppliers, don't expect much from GM management. Trouble is, I don't see how Ford's numbers would mean anything. Analyzing GM is enough of a task for me.

Burmite

Historical Ford (Symbol: F) Pricing:

Adjusted Close 12/31/1999- $22.74
Adjusted Close 06/09/2005- $10.02

(10.02-22.74)/22.74 = -56% holding period return


Historical GM (Symbol: GM) Pricing:

Adjusted Close 12/31/1999- $57.22
Adjusted Close 06/09/2005- $31.81

(31.81-57.22)/57.22 = -44% holding period return

Ford did worse in this period than GM did


To continue...


Historical DCX (Symbol: DCX) Pricing:

Adjusted Close 12/31/1999- $66.01
Adjusted Close 06/09/2005- $40.52

(40.52-66.01)/40.52 = -63% holding period return


Historical Toyota (Symbol: TM) Pricing:

Adjusted Close 12/31/1999-$92.91
Adjusted Close 06/09/2005- $71.37

(71.37-92.91)/92.91 = -23% holding period return



Basically since 1/1/2000, the entire auto industry has been hurting severely. GM stock in that period beat out Ford and DaimlerChrysler. Toyota was one of the only auto industry stocks that was able to beat GM.

Any questions Buickman?

Darth Xed

THANK YOU!

Burmite

finance.yahoo.com

Put in any stock symbol and click on historical prices to get prices from any day in the past. You can even download it to a spreadsheet and play with it on excel if you wish. Just bear in mind that you should use the adjusted close to account for price changes in case of dividends or stock splits.

Darth Xed

Thanks for the info!

1fastdog

Crickets...I hear Crickets...

Fbodfather

Buickman.........give it up.

We've been exchanging emails........a few of your points have some merit......most do not.

And your behavior in Wilmington was shameful in my opinion.

And Jerry? Yes, I was aware of who Jerry is. Funny thing. He writes a lot ....but show me one car he ever designed or engineered.

PacerX

Up lights.

Cue Simon and Garfunkel.

"Hello darkness, my old friend..."

Buickman

Busy at store. More tonite. Simply shameful was Wags announcing the loss of 25,000 more jobs.