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Old 11-04-2010, 01:40 PM
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Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

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MIAMI – Buick this evening reveals the production version of the 2012 Regal GS, an even sportier expression of the Regal sport sedan that went on sale earlier this year and has attracted new buyers to the Buick family. Powered by a high-output, exclusive Ecotec 2.0L turbocharged engine mated to a six-speed manual transmission, the GS delivers an estimated 255 horsepower (190 kW) and 295 lb.-ft. of torque for a 0-60 mph performance of less than seven seconds (estimated). Buick’s Interactive Drive Control System is standard on the GS, allowing drivers to customize the driving experience by changing the suspension settings and steering sensitivity between three modes: standard, sport and GS.

“Built on the performance foundation of the Regal, the Regal GS was designed as an even sportier expression of responsive performance and style,” said John Schwegman, vice president of Buick marketing. “The driving experience is powerful and spirited; and the GS represents the next entry in Buick’s product renaissance.”

The Regal GS will be unveiled this evening at a consumer event in Miami. It goes on sale in the second half of 2011. Pricing has not yet been announced.
So they delay it a year and pull the AWD.

3700lb, 255hp, 295tq, 6spd manual.
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

Why is this motor castrated compared to the LNF?
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

More OLD GM moves.

Regal is already a slow seller, this won't help any.
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

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Why is this motor castrated compared to the LNF?
It isn't at all actually. I'm not sure what the engine code is, but it certainly could be a variant of the LNF anyway...

LNF in the Solstice GXP and Sky Redline:
260HP @ 5300RPM and 260lbft @ 2500-5250RPM with redline of 6300RPM

Regal GS motor:
255HP @ 5300RPM and 295lbft @ 2500-4000RPM with redline of 6350RPM

So loss of 5 peak HP, but gain of 35lbft of torque and marginally higher redline.
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

Like HAZ-Matt said, this is a more powerful version of the LNF with 295tq.

As far as being a year late, I don't remember GM ever saying Summer 2010. I always thought this was going to be a winter/spring 2011 car.

AWD would have made it too heavy.
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

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It isn't at all actually.
You're right, for some reason I thought the LNF was putting out 300 HP.

It's been a long day and I'm !
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

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So they delay it a year and pull the AWD.

3700lb, 255hp, 295tq, 6spd manual.
What's the point of a sport version that's not really sporty? It's not bad looking, but that front end is too busy. Those numbers don't translate to a very good performer. Anyone who thinks the Camaro was too heavy is going to hate this.
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

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What's the point of a sport version that's not really sporty? It's not bad looking, but that front end is too busy. Those numbers don't translate to a very good performer. Anyone who thinks the Camaro was too heavy is going to hate this.
Just imagine if it had the AWD. I don't think a 3700 pound Buick sedan is "too heavy", after all, it IS a Buick. And 6.x 0-60 times aren't too shabby for a sedan in this class.
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

Originally Posted by Geoff Chadwick
So they delay it a year and pull the AWD.

3700lb, 255hp, 295tq, 6spd manual.
Those numbers are pretty similar to the V6 Aura/Malibu, plus a bunch of torque. I can tell you that my Aura torque steers pretty badly already, so I'm not sure this is a good thing.
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

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What's the point of a sport version that's not really sporty? It's not bad looking, but that front end is too busy. Those numbers don't translate to a very good performer. Anyone who thinks the Camaro was too heavy is going to hate this.
Whats not sporty about it? 19" wheels, 295tq, 6 speed manual. I can't think of any other midsized FWD sedan that is sportier than this car.

Pontiac G6 GTP fans would have killed for this setup.
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

Two reasons for this:

1) GM is trying to keep costs down.

2) The porky Regal would have been hovering around 3900 pounds in GS/AWD guise.

This will be neat car, but probably fall short of early expectations.
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

Originally Posted by FUTURE_OF_GM
More OLD GM moves.

Regal is already a slow seller, this won't help any.
Regal doesn't have a CX model yet either. But, I don't think that the Regal is a slow seller. It is doing fine.
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
You're right, for some reason I thought the LNF was putting out 300 HP.

It's been a long day and I'm !
You were probably thinking about the GMPP tune and MAP which did bump them to 290HP and 340lbft of torque.

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Two reasons for this:

1) GM is trying to keep costs down.

2) The porky Regal would have been hovering around 3900 pounds in GS/AWD guise.

This will be neat car, but probably fall short of early expectations.
They are claiming with the HiPerStruts that torque steer isn't a problem and at this power level AWD is therefore not needed.... I think the real issue is basically what you are saying. They did in fact admit cost was a consideration according to AutoBlog. As far as the weight, that is again a factor not just with the "sportiness" but could affect fuel economy.

I think this is set to be one of the best Buicks in a very long time. I think the main problem is that expectations are that it will be the second coming of the GNX, which it isn't intended to be. This is Buick to compete with the Acura TSX, Lexus IS, and Audi A4.
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Re: Buick Regal GS exists, though a year late and without AWD...

Originally Posted by Z28x
Whats not sporty about it? 19" wheels, 295tq, 6 speed manual. I can't think of any other midsized FWD sedan that is sportier than this car.

Pontiac G6 GTP fans would have killed for this setup.
Exactly.. I see this car as a perfect replacement for my GTP. And even though I'm a little disappointed about it being FWD, it still looks like it could be a very fun commuter. All the specs are there to compete with the TL, A4, MKZ - it just comes down to execution at this point. They failed at that pretty miserably with the GTP, I really hope they get it right this time...
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Augh this was going to be my next car but I think its a non starter without awd. I'll still test drive it but man that sucks.
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