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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 06:03 PM
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Re: AWD Camaro OPTION, yay or nay?

well, let's pose this question...
if we were to get a chevelle like car, let's just call it the chevy gto as possum suggested, and it were fitted with a good healthy v8 capable of putting out some ponies (like 350 or so)..
would you rather have the camaro have awd or would you rather the chevy gto have it?
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 06:22 PM
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Re: AWD Camaro OPTION, yay or nay?

Originally Posted by jwade95Z
Positrac, Anti-slip, ABS, and 8 inch rims should take care of any inclement weather issues. AWD doesn't seem to fit my perceptions of a pony car. Rally car, yes, but not American Muscle.

That's not to say I have anything against Rally inspired cars, Evo's and WRX's are getting doubletakes from me lately. That new MazdaSpeed 6 thats coming looks pretty neat too.
Maybe put it on the Camaro RS model?
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray86IROC
So Ford can build their new 05 Mustang GT with a V8, with the deluxe package that has all the options and 17" wheels and come in around 3400-3450 lbs yet GM can't build a Camaro under 3700, even just standard RWD?
Let's see what the Mustang really weighs once it's put on a scale. I'm suspicious of the 3400 - 3450 number. That said, the Mustang is quite an accomplishment these days. The GTO weighs around 3800 pounds. What do you take out to make a Camaro? A few inches here and there don't make a difference. The new Zeta cars are rumored to be heavier than the current V body, also.


Holden builds a AWD Monaro that is under 4000lbs (although barely) with 19 wheels and alot of performance and expensive crap all in/over it (price is the only problem but it's a special model, with alot of high dollar stuff on it). It's a cobbled together setup more or less in a larger car than a Camaro. Maybe I'm stupid but I refuse to believe GM couldn't come up with a way to build a AWD system in a newly designed Camaro (designed with AWD in mind) that would be several hundred pounds lighter than the AWD Monaro (Coupe 4 it's called I believe).
Where do they take the weight from?

Take the older up to 99 3000GTs that weighed in around 3750 (with IRS and all wheel steering for crying out loud, plus alot of luxury **** and electronic gizmos with were totally un-necessary), they were good performers with their anemic (in comparison to a LS2 or modded LS1) 320hp/~320ish ft-lb motors... If Mitsu could build that then, GM could build a AWD Camaro without the extra ****, without the high dollar options and have a real winner. Even if it clocked in at closer to 3700-3800 lbs it would still be a mean machine. Oh and the the Aluminum LSx family of engines shouldn't be significantly heavier than the twin turboed, twin intercooled, 3.0l V6 in the 3000GTs...

GM could build it and make it affordable if they wanted to...
Because you say so? A desire that something be so does not make it so.
The LS2 needs a heavier transmission, differentials, clutches, etc., than the Mitsubishi needed. It also would have bigger wheels and have to meet modern safety standards. But because we say it could be lighter, it could be lighter and cheaper. If only GM wanted to. Why do they not want to?
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason E
I think its interesting 2 of the opponents of AWD live in CA and KS...states that don't snow.

In MA, we get snow. In some areas, a lot of snow. Ever drive a 4th gen in snow? I have...thankfully not my own. Drive in snow, and you'll love the AWD idea. Burnouts and donuts are for kids. I dare say WRX and EVO owners don't miss the lack of either of these.

As for KillerTA, you're from Milwaukee...drive that TA in snow?? If not, I'm not surprised...and if so, you know how bad it is. Wouldn't it be great to have ONE CAR for a change, should you want the option? I voted for AWD but will probably take RWD on my 5th gen. Why? My 5th gen won't go out in the slop anyways But if I wanted one as a daily driver, at least I have the option for a year-round car now!
Well, it does snow in KS. And in places in CA, but not where I live. I don't like snow. Rain is bad enough. And humidity. But this topic isn't about why I live on the west coast.

I don't want to drive in snow, and I don't want to pay more to buy, maintain, and refuel a car that is slower because of heavy AWD. If Chevy wants to make an AWD Camaro, I won't buy it. And if it has compromises built in to the RWD version, I likely won't buy it. As long as all the weight and cost penalties are borne by those who get AWD (I hope you like a gas guzzler tax), it's okay with me.
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 08:44 PM
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Smaller, lighter, cheaper, faster....

Realize that even as an OPTION, it would probably result in a HEAVIER RWD VERSION OF THE CAR.

You know that happens when you try to be all things to all people....
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 09:30 PM
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Re: Smaller, lighter, cheaper, faster....

lol, yes, it does infact snow in kansas. We get to much of the nasty stuff come winter time.
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 09:41 PM
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There should not be a AWD Camaro for the following reasons:
1. It will add siginificant costs to the car. Just think of how expesinve AWD componets will be that have to handle 400+ horsepower. And even as an option, it will add costs to RWD cars because their componets like the tranny, engine and front suspension will have to be designed with AWD in mind.
2. It will add significant weight to the car. Just think of how much AWD componets that stand up to 400+ hp weigh. Our cars need to weigh less than the 4th gen, not more. And I see this as something that is doable if they make the Camaro significantly smaller than the 193" giants the 4th gens were.
3. You cannot do burnouts or powerslides with AWD. If you can't light them up in a Camaro, then it shouldn't be called a Camaro. Burnouts are one of the defining characteristics of a muscle car, its a raw display of power that your FWD and AWD econonbox POS's can't do. If you want traction, buy slicks.
4. Do Formula 1 cars use AWD? No. so how is it better for racing?????



The only reasons for having AWD drive would be for snow and good 60' times.
Also, why don't they design the Camaro as RWD and have it be good in the snow? People used to get around fine in the 50's 60's and 70's in their RWD cars.
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 09:50 PM
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Re: AWD Camaro OPTION, yay or nay?

Originally Posted by AronZ28
4. Do Formula 1 cars use AWD? No. so how is it better for racing?????
Ahhh... But why do rally cars have AWD? Moreover, Audi was eliminated from the series it used to race in because AWD was giving it the edge, especially in wet conditions.

I don't want AWD in my Camaro, but let's not deem it worthless either.
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 10:00 PM
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Re: Smaller, lighter, cheaper, faster....

Originally Posted by WERM
Realize that even as an OPTION, it would probably result in a HEAVIER RWD VERSION OF THE CAR.

You know that happens when you try to be all things to all people....
Exactly. Very succinctly put.
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 10:11 PM
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Re: AWD Camaro OPTION, yay or nay?

as long as its has a 5.7 v8 or bigger engine, looks like a camaro and has the name and its not fwd i dont care if its rwd or awd i'll buy it. if ur gonna do awd do it before those gay stangs do.
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 10:15 PM
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i think engine type, tranny type, and drive type awd or rwd should be an option category for rs, z's and the ss. like you should be able to get a rs with a v8 and awd if you wanted, like you use to be able to get v8 rs's back in the 60's
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 11:57 PM
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Re: AWD Camaro OPTION, yay or nay?

Originally Posted by muckz
Ahhh... But why do rally cars have AWD? Moreover, Audi was eliminated from the series it used to race in because AWD was giving it the edge, especially in wet conditions.

I don't want AWD in my Camaro, but let's not deem it worthless either.
Ahh..Audi still races, and won the SCCA GT class. In fact, they made a commercial about it.

Rally cars have AWD because...well....take a look at where they are driving?

You dont NEED AWD to make a better race car. The CTS-V does just as well as the Audi RS6's, if not better. If it wasnt for the half a ton of weight, and massive restricitions that were put on the cars after the first beatdow....i mena race, the CTS-V's would have taken the series.
Old Oct 29, 2004 | 12:21 AM
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Re: AWD Camaro OPTION, yay or nay?

Originally Posted by Jason E
I think its interesting 2 of the opponents of AWD live in CA and KS...states that don't snow.
I guess I updated my location a lil too early. I have lived all over. Born in houston, lives in nova scotia canada, went to highschool and college in Michigan, Living in Seattle right now and moving to KS next week.

I have driven my 92 in the snow before, one full year before I was able to buy a second car for the winter so I know exactly what people go through. The first time I took a right hand turn in the snow I slid sideways through 5 lanes.

I just think it would be a bad idea to change the key formula that is camaro.

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Old Oct 29, 2004 | 10:10 AM
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Re: AWD Camaro OPTION, yay or nay?

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I think its interesting 2 of the opponents of AWD live in CA and KS...states that don't snow.
That is an ignorant comment. Have you ever been to Kansas in the winter??
Old Oct 29, 2004 | 10:59 AM
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That is an ignorant comment. Have you ever been to Kansas in the winter??
Or northern and eastern California?



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