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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by flowmotion
You don't mind that your heartfelt feelings of patriotism are being manipulated to sell you a pickup truck? (Or a hamburger, or a politican, or what have you.)

I haven't seen the ad, but this sort of commercialization just cheapens the emotional experience. Kinda like that rock song that you used to like until it got put into a dozen different advertisements.
Perhaps you should see it first...

I've not seen it yet, either, but the image of the atomic bomb being tested is NOT in the final cut (based on what I've read).

I can understand some hesitation at the idea of using something like the "spotlight Towers" WTC tribute after 911, but I'm sure it is done in a tasteful way. Chevrolet does not typically push the envelope with offensive/controversial ads (unlike some of Dodge's recent efforts). They are usually more about down-home, feel good type ads. I'm sure it is done in a way to make you feel warm about being American and about driving a Silverado.

Sure it is playing on patriotism a bit. Why not? Just about every commercial plays to human emotions in one way or another (being funny, or sad, or uplifting, or whatever). And after all, GM's biggest threat is the company that the media loves to love, and it hails from the land of the rising sun...

I need to see the thing for myself, but on the surface I think it will be nice to see an ad that takes a little pride in the good ol' USA (something sorely lacking in recent years).

By the way, on a somewhat related topic, those who haven't seen the opening sequence on the Silverado launch website should check it out. I'm sure it is a repost at this point, but for those who haven't seen it...

http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado/launch/

Pretty neat how it "transforms" into the different generations (though they left a few out... )
Old Oct 17, 2006 | 08:00 AM
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It is hard for me to take anyone seriously who uses the word "crappy" a couple lines into a professional editorial.
Old Oct 17, 2006 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck!
It is hard for me to take anyone seriously who uses the word "crappy" a couple lines into a professional editorial.

Old Oct 17, 2006 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck!
It is hard for me to take anyone seriously who uses the word "crappy" a couple lines into a professional editorial.


What are your thoughts on "poopy"? "Sh**ty"? Or, how about "assy"?



Old Oct 17, 2006 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck!
It is hard for me to take anyone seriously who uses the word "crappy" a couple lines into a professional editorial.

I do believe that sums this artical up nicely.
Old Oct 17, 2006 | 09:00 AM
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http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...1041/MICROSITE

Striking a Nerve
Silverado ads get strong reactions from viewers
By MARY CONNELLY | AUTOMOTIVE NEWS
7:29 am, October 16, 2006


DETROIT -- On Saturday, Sept. 23, six executives from Chevrolet and its ad agency gathered at the home of Kim Kosak, the brand's advertising director. As they sat on the floor of Kosak's living room, they debated one of the most controversial TV commercials in years.

The executives screened dozens of video images of America from the past six decades: 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, Vietnam, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr., Richard Nixon, Woodstock.

They weren't cramming for a history exam. Instead, they were crafting a spot for the 2007 Chevrolet Silverado, which would debut on national TV in a week.

Chevrolet and its longtime ad agency, Campbell-Ewald, are reminding viewers of some of the most emotional episodes in recent U.S. history as part of the Silverado's new marketing campaign, "Our Country. Our Truck."

The 60-second TV spot is provoking criticism and praise. Critics say General Motors is exploiting national tragedies to sell pickups. Supporters say the commercial is tasteful and inspirational and plays well among truck buyers.

"We were trying to strike that balance between provocative and not stepping over the line," Kosak told Automotive News. "This truck has been through the ups and downs of this country, working side by side with Americans. That was the core idea.

"A brand like Chevrolet can do it. If you used those images to hawk a $199 deal, that would be reprehensible."

'Pure American'

In March, Chevrolet asked Campbell-Ewald to create a campaign that portrays the Silverado as the "pure American pickup truck." Chevrolet and the agency reviewed 80 hours of video shot by five film directors and three photographers.

Campbell-Ewald was developing the Silverado spot when singer John Mellencamp's manager called Bill Ludwig, the agency's chief creative officer. Mellencamp had written a song that had not been released. Would Chevrolet be interested?

"I said, 'This is exactly what we are working on,'" Ludwig recalls. Mellencamp's song, "Our Country," provides the spot's soundtrack. He also appears in the commercial, singing the patriotic anthem.

As the ad's various elements fell into place, Kosak worked frantically to meet the campaign's fall deadline. By Labor Day weekend, Kosak had looked at 100 cuts of the ad. "My 4-year-old daughter has seen me looking at so many cuts, she was singing an unreleased John Mellencamp song," she says.

Chevrolet test-marketed the commercial's images in major truck markets such as Los Angeles, Dallas and Florida. Campbell-Ewald produced three versions: an upbeat spot, a hard-edged version and one with a mix of images.

Chevrolet turned down the upbeat version because it "lacked realism," Kosak says. Chevy also rejected the hard-edged spot, which included an image of a mushroom cloud.

"I cut a very provocative edit," Ludwig explains. "The atom bomb was in there. To me, it was about the atomic age, post-World War II. It never occurred to me that it would be offensive to Japanese-Americans, but other people read it that way. It was an atom bomb test, not Hiroshima."

In the final spot, the mushroom cloud was replaced with images of a Hula-Hoop and a child bicycling through the construction of a postwar suburb.

On Sunday, Sept. 24, Kosak screened the final version of the commercial at the home of Chevrolet General Manager Ed Peper. He approved the spot, as did GM marketing vice presidents Mark LaNeve and Mike Jackson. The commercial broke during college football telecasts on Saturday, Sept. 30.

Taking heat

Ludwig says he anticipated that the Silverado spot would generate complaints. The commercial is about America "and the knocks we have taken and pulling ourselves up by the bootstraps," he says. "Anytime you are provocative, you are going to elicit some provocative responses.

"If you want to make a statement that rings true with the majority of people, you are going to **** off some people. There are a lot of cynical people out there who don't react well to this, and a lot of people who will never get behind the wheel of a pickup.

"So let them get into their Volvo sedans and complain about this spot that they see as exploitive," he says. "This is not for them. The biggest risk you can take is to play it safe."


On Saturday, Oct. 21, two new 30-second spots for the Silverado will debut during the World Series. A separate spot targeting Hispanic Americans also will premiere that day. That spot will use historic images such as Hispanic workers helping to build Hoover Dam.

It's too early to assess the commercial's impact. But John Wommack, general manager of Brown Chevrolet in Devine, Texas, says he thinks it will appeal to his store's truck customers. "They are very patriotic and proud of their country," he says. "The message will give them a good feeling."

GM won't get a scientific study of consumer response to the first commercial for several weeks. So far, Kosak says, anecdotal reaction has been "strikingly positive."

She adds: "We've had e-mail after e-mail from mothers and relatives involved in the incidents saying, 'You made me cry. You made me proud to be an American.'"

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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by soul strife
Wow!
This is what we are upset over. Not that other countries want to nuke us, starvation, or genocide that continue in the world.
We are emotionally distraught from a commercial.
Wow!
You might have noticed... far more trivial things than even this make the news almost every day.

There is always room to consider ethics in marketing.

In fact, I remember quite a few people here getting upset over Lexus advertising a while back. No, not because it capitalized on controversial images of american tragedy - because it was too cocky.



Trivial matters make the world go round.
Old Oct 17, 2006 | 12:08 PM
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Perhaps you should see it first...
Actually, I saw it out of the corner of my eye, but only remember a bunch of non-controversial home movie-type images. I will keep my eyes open now, because I certainly don't want to leap to any conclusions just because of some whiny internet types.

"A brand like Chevrolet can do it. If you used those images to hawk a $199 deal, that would be reprehensible."
Ah, right. That's pretty much what I'm talking about. Do you think the guys with the $199 deal will say "We can't do this because we're not a 'brand like Chevy'"? Hell no -- if the commercial is successful, everyone will copy it.
Old Oct 17, 2006 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by flowmotion
Ah, right. That's pretty much what I'm talking about. Do you think the guys with the $199 deal will say "We can't do this because we're not a 'brand like Chevy'"? Hell no -- if the commercial is successful, everyone will copy it.

Actually, I think that sets the bar right where it belongs.

Chevrolet has earned the right to claim an intregal part of American history....the "Thighmaster", not so much.

Not sure if this link will work, but here it is...

mms://PowerHost.PowerStream.NET/002/...commercial.wmv
Old Oct 17, 2006 | 12:34 PM
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The actor depicting the soldier at the end, who is holding the little girl, should have popped for a GI haircut. My pet peeve is when they get these guys from "central casting" to portray the military, and give them a patrol cap and dogtags and call it a day.

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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Harden
Actually, I think that sets the bar right where it belongs.

Chevrolet has earned the right to claim an intregal part of American history....the "Thighmaster", not so much.

Not sure if this link will work, but here it is...

mms://PowerHost.PowerStream.NET/002/...commercial.wmv
OK, now I've seen it. Thanks for posting that Doug.

WTF is the problem? It is pretty much as I expected. Lots of American images from throughout our history. Mostly good or indifferent (just images of the times), a few from darker periods that the country went through (Vietnam, the 911 spotlight towers). Some people bitched about Rosa Parks being in it. What about MLKJr? He was in it too.

If I'd seen that commercial on TV before all the controversy came out, I'd have thought,



They didn't show the burning towers, they showed the tribute that was set up to honor the fallen. Would people have bitched if they showed the Iwo Jima statue, or a humbling image of all the markers at Arlington?

Again, I can see people being a little uncomfortable with a specific image here or there, but the commercial is very tastefully done imo. Of course, some can also disagree with the whole idea of appealing to our patriotic feelings to move sheetmetal. But again, all commercials are looking for a way to spark the target's interest; usually this is done by going after their feelings in some way (by being funny or sad or whatever). My favorite beer commercials, for example, are not the ones with the women running around, or even the overly funny/clever ones (and there have been many). My favorite beer commercials are the Budweiser spots with the Clydesdales (especially at Christmas time, but they usually have a good Super Bowl spot too).

Old Oct 17, 2006 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Threxx
You might have noticed... far more trivial things than even this make the news almost every day.

There is always room to consider ethics in marketing.

In fact, I remember quite a few people here getting upset over Lexus advertising a while back. No, not because it capitalized on controversial images of american tragedy - because it was too cocky.



Trivial matters make the world go round.
I notice many things. Marketing, for instance, has only one code. Selling product.

News, trivial. Surely not. My point remains, we have much more to worry about than a commercial. If consumers dislike the advertisment, it will show in sales and outcry.

Trivial matters are easily forgotten. Crucial matters are not.
Old Oct 17, 2006 | 01:09 PM
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"The atom bomb was in there. To me, it was about the atomic age, post-World War II. It never occurred to me that it would be offensive to Japanese-Americans, but other people read it that way. It was an atom bomb test, not Hiroshima."

Wait a second... bub...

"Americans of Japanese Descent" (sometimes erroneously called Japanese-Americans) oughta be happy as hell we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima...

The occupants of Hiroshima were JAPANESE, NOT AMERICANS.

And they friggin deserved it too...

So, if you're an "American of Japanese Descent" who is upset about seeing Hiroshima vaporized, I would like to gently suggest you pull your f*ck*ng head out of your a$$, 'cause them there innocent Japanese folks would have vaporized you and your American countrymen in a heartbeat - were the situation reversed.

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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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Actually, I think that sets the bar right where it belongs.

Chevrolet has earned the right to claim an intregal part of American history....the "Thighmaster", not so much/
Thanks for the link.

My take: 90% of has been done before in hundreds of other commercials, and the more controversial stuff (Katrina, WTC) was done tastefully. But, you don't have to "earn" anything to run a commercial, so I'm sure Budwiser and Walmart and Thighmaster will be making use of WTC imagery in future ads for years to come. Which I suppose makes sense if you realize that advertising is as American as hot dogs and apple pie.

And just because we're talking about it here, the advertising "worked".
Old Oct 17, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PacerX
"Americans of Japanese Descent" (sometimes erroneously called Japanese-Americans)
What does "Japanese-American" mean, if not "American of Japanese Descent"?

Originally Posted by PacerX
oughta be happy as hell we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima...

The occupants of Hiroshima were JAPANESE, NOT AMERICANS.
Occupants? How about residents? Hiroshima was not "occupied" in the military sense. And of course they were Japanese -- it's Japan.

Why should they be happy? Because we bombed the f**k out of their home, or because we made it uninhabitable for several decades?



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