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Old Feb 25, 2009 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ProudPony
Bottom line is they are only getting one lick from me instead of 2 (or maybe 3) because of their pricing structure.

Gimme a "lightweight stripper V8 car", and I will give you my money.
Plain and simple.
Not enough of you to make and business case for the V8 stripper and they'll probably make more money on your "1 lick" for a GT500 than 2 (or 3) strippers.


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In short, I'd say that it's better than the average one on the road from my couple years of TLC since buying it
... and this probably makes you a pretty rare bird because very few cars are made better as they get older.

My anecdotal "no-strippers" evidence:
My wife and I have a Solstice ZOK which is a "stripper" with suspension, ABS and posi. We ordered in July, had no TPW by the next January and finally canceled the order and then found one in dealer inventory 1 country and half a continent away. From what we heard, they finally did a run of 5 ZOKs in July. I think that gives a pretty good indication of just how popular stripper cars are.
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 97z28/m6
could you even get crank windows on a SN95 mustang? i know the S197s you can't.
Oh yes indeedy-doo!







In fact, the GTS model offered from 94 thru 96 came WITHOUT power windows OR power locks! When the GTS model was discontinued in 96 it was replaced by Package 248A and continued through the '99 MCE.

The car above... PERFECT PACKAGE IMO.
V8, 5-spd, manual everything, stereo, defroster, and wheels.

WHY can't this be offered today?!?!


PS - the keen eye will notice basic upgrades like the cold air pack and the cap/wires.
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by poSSum
Not enough of you to make and business case for the V8 stripper and they'll probably make more money on your "1 lick" for a GT500 than 2 (or 3) strippers.
You didn't read the part where I said I would buy BOTH, maybe even 3 in the next couple years.

YES - they have moissed-out on some sales from me.
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ProudPony
You didn't read the part where I said I would buy BOTH, maybe even 3 in the next couple years.
Sorry, I misread.
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 01:33 PM
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Based on some peoples line of reasoning the Mustang GT shouldn't exist. Their train of thouht dictates that Ford should only be offering he base V-6 & the high zoot GT500 & that their dealerships should be full of unsold GT's because there's no market for a low cost, low content(though not "no content") V-8 car!
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximum Bob
Based on some peoples line of reasoning the Mustang GT shouldn't exist. Their train of thouht dictates that Ford should only be offering he base V-6 & the high zoot GT500 & that their dealerships should be full of unsold GT's because there's no market for a low cost, low content(though not "no content") V-8 car!
You're missing one important part, we're also assuming GM may someday offer the supercharged Z/28 to combat the GT500. The Camaro SS goes toe-to-toe with the Mustang GT, not the GT500.

Mustang V6 vs. Camaro V6
Mustang GT vs. Camaro SS
Mustang GT500 vs. Camaro Z/28
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ProudPony

I think I know where you are heading, and I agree. People are more interested in well-preserved units for sure - me included. That never hurts. But in this case, it's just a stright, original, unmolested daily beater.
thats what matters. do they ever say "i'll give you $x for it" or more "man i'd love to buy that from you" comments"?
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ProudPony
Oh yes indeedy-doo!







In fact, the GTS model offered from 94 thru 96 came WITHOUT power windows OR power locks! When the GTS model was discontinued in 96 it was replaced by Package 248A and continued through the '99 MCE.

The car above... PERFECT PACKAGE IMO.
V8, 5-spd, manual everything, stereo, defroster, and wheels.

WHY can't this be offered today?!?!


PS - the keen eye will notice basic upgrades like the cold air pack and the cap/wires.
cool.

but you just admitted ford stopped in 99 building those kind of cars....so for 9 years now you can't get a "basic" mustang either.
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 97z28/m6
cool.

but you just admitted ford stopped in 99 building those kind of cars....so for 9 years now you can't get a "basic" mustang either.
No "admitting anything" is required! I've been saying how I wanted it back... like an old foxbody LX and such. I KNOW it has not been offered for a while.
Heck, I'm down-right pizzed about it, and that's why I'm voicing myself here/now as well as every chance Ford gives me. I'm also advocating the same for the Camaro.

Ponycars are NOT meant to be tech-beds or luxobarges IMO.

Ford and GM would just LOVE to think that the most recognized names in automobile history can sell themselves at sky-high prices because of fan loyalty, when the fact is that what made them so successful in the past was their simplicity in the first place.
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 97z28/m6
thats what matters. do they ever say "i'll give you $x for it" or more "man i'd love to buy that from you" comments"?
Chris in Maintenance offered me $1500 on the spot for it, and wants me to help him find one since I won't sell either of mine.

My father-in-law has simply said "find me one" (he has the dough - no problem).

Average folks at the gas stations and such - it's maybe 50/50. Some go so far as to talk money, the rest simply comment on the car and ask what mileage I get and how long I've had it, etc. Part of that depend on whether I'm in a hurry or have time to chat too.

You point is indeed well-taken. My point is that I simply get more interest in this car nowadays than I got in the 5.0s and older iron in years gone by. I simply think folks are going back to simple ways for simple tasks.

Old Feb 25, 2009 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ProudPony
Chris in Maintenance offered me $1500 on the spot for it, and wants me to help him find one since I won't sell either of mine.

My father-in-law has simply said "find me one" (he has the dough - no problem).

Average folks at the gas stations and such - it's maybe 50/50. Some go so far as to talk money, the rest simply comment on the car and ask what mileage I get and how long I've had it, etc. Part of that depend on whether I'm in a hurry or have time to chat too.

You point is indeed well-taken. My point is that I simply get more interest in this car nowadays than I got in the 5.0s and older iron in years gone by. I simply think folks are going back to simple ways for simple tasks.

or want a cheap car.....
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
It gets so frustrating to try to understand why some things are done, that there are times I almost lose interest... I even went into a lurker mode here for an extended period of time because of it.
A 5-day late comment on this. I know exactly how you feel. I haven't posted much at all here lately. I used to be hopelessly addicted to this site, posting several times a day. Now, the meltdown of the US auto industry has me in a state of depression and indifference. I'll lurk here every few days or so now. We can't talk about the great new stuff coming out from GM, the GM vs. Ford vs. Chrysler rivalries....it's all about the business now, and how grim things are. Bankruptcy, solvency, stock prices -- I couldn't give two flips about. This place was so much more fun when we could just talk about the product.
Old Feb 26, 2009 | 09:22 AM
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Well when GM and Ford go under maybe I'll actually buy a car that was made in America (since as you all know our cars are Canadian)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passeng..._United_States

Lets see, I could buy:

BMW X3, X5,X6

Honda Civic, Accord, Pilot, Ridgeline (but those are F***ing ugly)

Hyundai Sonata, Santa Fe

Mazda: Mazda6

Mercedes M, R or GL series

Mitsubishi Galant, Eclipse or Endeavor

Most Nissans and the Infiniti QX56

Subaru Legacy or Outback

Toyota Tundra or Camry

Honestly I'd rather put my money in the hands of the factory workers than the white collar D bags responsible for the companies decline.
Too bad that money has to go thru the UAW
Old Feb 26, 2009 | 10:03 AM
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Too bad I'm not interested in any of those.
Old Feb 26, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 1997FormulaBird
Lets see, I could buy:

BMW X3, X5,X6

Honda Civic, Accord, Pilot, Ridgeline (but those are F***ing ugly)

Hyundai Sonata, Santa Fe

Mazda: Mazda6

Mercedes M, R or GL series

Mitsubishi Galant, Eclipse or Endeavor

Most Nissans and the Infiniti QX56

Subaru Legacy or Outback

Toyota Tundra or Camry









EDIT: Missed the GM and Ford part, so I apologize for my ***-like reply, but you still could buy a Chrysler product in that scenario.

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