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Old Jun 17, 2002 | 05:13 PM
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Honestly, nothing Ted has drawn on his sight can hold a candle to the Super Chevy rendering and it is CLEAR from responses here and elsewhere that 9 out of 10 readers agree.

I am interested in seeing some of Ted's new designs, when he's ready with them.
Old Jun 17, 2002 | 06:23 PM
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My apologies to everyone who liked this drawing.....but I really think that it is just aweful.

Beyond the fact that it has ZERO continuaty, it looks like a twelve year old drew it in study hall.

Ted runs circles around that guy!
Old Jun 17, 2002 | 06:44 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sitting Bull:
Honestly, nothing Ted has drawn on his sight can hold a candle to the Super Chevy rendering and it is CLEAR from responses here and elsewhere that 9 out of 10 readers agree.
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I dont know about elsewhere but here by MY math its 13 pro, 13 con, and a few middle of the road, for a total of 50-50.

If you showed this drawing to a room full of elementary school kids, you might get your 9 out of 10 response that you claim. Show it to a room of adults tho (the ones with the money to BUY the car), and of course it will be quite a different result.

This is a love it or hate it design, just like the current 4th gen. If we want 5th gen sales numbers to be where they should be, GM has to do much better than 50% like 50% dislike.

GM has plenty of time to find a 5th gen design that appeals to more people. The car has to appeal to other than 12 year old boys.

Of course I think Teds designs are better than you apparently do, but I will go further: I think Christopher Reeve could draw a better Camaro with the pencil stuck in his mouth than this latest Super Chevy drawing.

Old Jun 17, 2002 | 06:55 PM
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Someone on thirdgen.org said it looks like the MACH 5....and I see what he means...but of course the MACH 5 is much cooler.

If only this concept had those twin circular saws extending out of the nose and that remote control bird coming out of the hood, I think, more 12 year olds would like it.
Old Jun 17, 2002 | 07:38 PM
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Unless GM is looking to make a limited production car ,it won't fly. It still has the getting in, and ride height factor that kills sales today. That is a pure enthusiasts car.

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Old Jun 17, 2002 | 10:16 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Reno Leigh:
I dont know about elsewhere but here by MY math its 13 pro, 13 con, and a few middle of the road, for a total of 50-50.

If you showed this drawing to a room full of elementary school kids, you might get your 9 out of 10 response that you claim. Show it to a room of adults tho (the ones with the money to BUY the car), and of course it will be quite a different result.

This is a love it or hate it design, just like the current 4th gen. If we want 5th gen sales numbers to be where they should be, GM has to do much better than 50% like 50% dislike.

GM has plenty of time to find a 5th gen design that appeals to more people. The car has to appeal to other than 12 year old boys.

Of course I think Teds designs are better than you apparently do, but I will go further: I think Christopher Reeve could draw a better Camaro with the pencil stuck in his mouth than this latest Super Chevy drawing.

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Well, I posted this rendering on the thirdgen.org site and the response was close to 9 to 1.

I suppose it is a love or hate thing, but other than that even you know you are not approaching this in an intelligent manner.
Old Jun 17, 2002 | 11:56 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sitting Bull:

I suppose it is a love or hate thing, but other than that even you know you are not approaching this in an intelligent manner.
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Dont I know it! My IQ dropped 50 points after clicking on your link and just looking at that drawing!

Old Jun 18, 2002 | 12:03 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z284ever:
Someone on thirdgen.org said it looks like the MACH 5....and I see what he means....</font>
I think you are on to something..Chim Chim drew it!

Old Jun 18, 2002 | 10:05 PM
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I love the back end, it looks like the 67-69.
The hood design needs work though, thoose boxy chomed hood outlets look out of place on such a sleek car. And for the love of god I hope GM gives it a stripes option...not just on anniversary models. (White with hugger orange stripes, blue with white stripes, ect).

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Old Jun 19, 2002 | 08:10 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jrp4uc:
. I'd probably drop the third-gen-inspired hood vents first.

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Ah-hem..., if you'll look at some of the first gens you'll see that those are supposed to look more like 1st gen SS hood scoops. Oh and on the 1st gens they didn't work either so.... yeah....


By the way I absolutly love that drawing! Part of me says hell yeah on the whole thing but someone earlier posted possibly going with a 70-73 type rear look and that definatly sounds damn cool too!

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Old Jun 19, 2002 | 08:54 PM
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I'm gonna have to defend this artist. I have lots of drawings of concepts and current cars. There are too many people here that are being disrespectful. If you don't like the concept, fine. But don't be *****s. It's obvious to me he put a lot of time into it. Yes, the hood scoops are out of place, the back end looks like an old vette, blah blah blah. It's a concept... get over it.

Personally, I like the car... A LOT! Is it perfect? Of course not, but neither are any of the other concepts on this board. Ted is a talented artist, but even I don't like EVERYTHING he draws. All I have to ask to everyone who is being rude is... could any of you do better? Your answer shouldn't suprise you.

Some people in here should try to show a little more respect.
Old Jun 20, 2002 | 12:31 AM
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Well said, blacksix!!

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Old Jun 20, 2002 | 07:48 PM
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I actually went to school studying Transportation Design for awhile (didn't like it;long story) and one thing an artist has to be able to handle is criticism. Just read "All Corvette's Are Red" and you'll see how poorly Chuck Jordan treated John Cafaro and the other designers. It's part of the job.
If you want to be any kind of artist, you better have a thick skin.
Old Jun 20, 2002 | 11:41 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HuJass:
One thing an artist has to be able to handle is criticism. Just read "All Corvette's Are Red" and you'll see how poorly Chuck Jordan treated John Cafaro and the other designers. It's part of the job.
If you want to be any kind of artist, you better have a thick skin.
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I can't claim to be an artist and that rendering certainly doesn't belong to me. I wish it did!

In any event, criticism for criticisms sake is useless. What is needed is "Constructive Criticism." I.e., "I like this but this other bit needs work and here is why."

To blather on about how your IQ went down just by looking at it is simply stupid and we don't need any more of that. I don't think Reno can afford a 50 point loss anyway
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..just to add to the comments directly above:
The artist of that picture is VERY talented, and has an interesting perception of what a retro-modern Camaro might look like.
His drawing style is also lightyears above mine.

When you critique his work, focus on the vechicle, and state your likes and dislikes, rather than trashing the whole idea strait up.
It does take a lot of work to do a picture like that, and any constructive criticism will lead to even better designs from him in the future.

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