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5th gen news
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Ok seems like non members cant see it so heres the story.
Cant seem to be able to attach the picture/sketch.
Once again found this on the cheersandgears forum.
THE RUMORS ARE TRUE
“The Camaro Is Real”
When General Motors announced that the 2002 Camaro would be the last Camaro built enthusiasts were left wondering and asking themselves “why?” Sales plummeted toward the end of the 4th generation’s run and the car was seen more as a niche vehicle, only running on one shift in a plant that supported some hundreds of thousands of cars per year.
The GM press release read that the Camaro was to take a “hiatus” with no mention of a release. This tricky wording was quickly picked up by GM fans and enthusiasts and speculation began running wild as to when the Pony car would return. We have the details. We know when it is set to return, and we will share the information that we have with you.
Fellow C&G member AH-HA started the speculation almost one year ago today. On April 19th, 2003 he informed us that the Camaro would be around in 2007 just in time for the “anniversary party.” He was right. The Camaro is infact going to be built once more.
Styling
C&G got a scoop on the Camaro’s design from C&G member EVOK. The new Camaro is set to feature a mixture of every generation of the Camaro, right down to the hood scoop that comes from the 4th generation SS. While stying and engineering are nearly complete Crispeys rendition (seen above) has been confirmed to be 85% what the new Camaro will look like. The Camaro team have not yet made a final decision on the front end of the new Camaro and ideas are still being accepted for what the front could look like. Crispey’s rendition features:
1) Roof of the 1968
2) Front fenders of the 1998 where the fender line sweeps into the mirror
3) Side of the 1999 Nomad.
4) Merge all three together to form the front end.
5) Trunk of the 1968
6) General theme of the vehicle should be the 1968.
7) Windshield raked like the 1998 but the vehicle is more upright and coupe like as in the 1968.
8) More like the Essence of the 68 with a thinner c-pillar.
9) The 99 Nomad like wheel
I must stress that the Camaro’s design could change from what Crispey has come up with, but this is generally the look the Camaro will have with a few tweaks here and there. As of right now, the car is more then just a drawing on a board and we’ve heard from quite a few sources that the car is in clay form.
Architecture/Release
Look for the 5th generation coupe Camaro to debut in 2008 based on the Zeta architecture. Although the car may still see a 2007 debut considering GM has their pension liability under control. The convertible variant is set to debut a few months to a year after the initial coupe debut. Although the car may still see a 2007 debut considering GM has their pension liability under control.
Trim Levels/Powertrain
Perhaps the biggest piece of news that we’ve obtained about the 2008 Chevrolet Camaro is the trim levels and powertrain that will power the icon. Look for a base V6 model an SS model and a highly powerful “***** to the walls Z/28 that will return the Z/28 back to its roots.” The Z/28 model is not expected for release until 1-2 years after the Camaro makes its return.
The base V6 is expected to be powered by the HV 3.9l V6 while the base SS engine is expected to be the Gen IV 5.3l V8. Our sources were tight lipped about power on the Z/28 model, but would only say that the SS will be “very fast, and the Z/28 even faster!” We’ve also been told that the Z/28 will be more of a “Z06, top of the line” type Camaro. AWD has also been mentioned as being part of the powertrain equation. Although no final word has been made on that.
Build Location
How does an American made Camaro sound? Well rumors we’ve heard from a few sources indicate that the Zeta Architecture’d Camaro may be built at GM’s plant in Hamtramck, Michigan. We have also heard that the Camaro may be built in Canada in GM’s Oshawa assembly plant located up north.
While we are on the discussion of Zeta relating to the Camaro it would only be fitting to share our news about its mate the Pontiac Firebird. As of right now there are no plans to include a Firebird platform mate on the Zeta architect. Instead the Pontiac GTO will be built on the Zeta platform and will stick around as Pontiac’s RWD performance coupe.
Cant seem to be able to attach the picture/sketch.
Once again found this on the cheersandgears forum.
THE RUMORS ARE TRUE
“The Camaro Is Real”
When General Motors announced that the 2002 Camaro would be the last Camaro built enthusiasts were left wondering and asking themselves “why?” Sales plummeted toward the end of the 4th generation’s run and the car was seen more as a niche vehicle, only running on one shift in a plant that supported some hundreds of thousands of cars per year.
The GM press release read that the Camaro was to take a “hiatus” with no mention of a release. This tricky wording was quickly picked up by GM fans and enthusiasts and speculation began running wild as to when the Pony car would return. We have the details. We know when it is set to return, and we will share the information that we have with you.
Fellow C&G member AH-HA started the speculation almost one year ago today. On April 19th, 2003 he informed us that the Camaro would be around in 2007 just in time for the “anniversary party.” He was right. The Camaro is infact going to be built once more.
Styling
C&G got a scoop on the Camaro’s design from C&G member EVOK. The new Camaro is set to feature a mixture of every generation of the Camaro, right down to the hood scoop that comes from the 4th generation SS. While stying and engineering are nearly complete Crispeys rendition (seen above) has been confirmed to be 85% what the new Camaro will look like. The Camaro team have not yet made a final decision on the front end of the new Camaro and ideas are still being accepted for what the front could look like. Crispey’s rendition features:
1) Roof of the 1968
2) Front fenders of the 1998 where the fender line sweeps into the mirror
3) Side of the 1999 Nomad.
4) Merge all three together to form the front end.
5) Trunk of the 1968
6) General theme of the vehicle should be the 1968.
7) Windshield raked like the 1998 but the vehicle is more upright and coupe like as in the 1968.
8) More like the Essence of the 68 with a thinner c-pillar.
9) The 99 Nomad like wheel
I must stress that the Camaro’s design could change from what Crispey has come up with, but this is generally the look the Camaro will have with a few tweaks here and there. As of right now, the car is more then just a drawing on a board and we’ve heard from quite a few sources that the car is in clay form.
Architecture/Release
Look for the 5th generation coupe Camaro to debut in 2008 based on the Zeta architecture. Although the car may still see a 2007 debut considering GM has their pension liability under control. The convertible variant is set to debut a few months to a year after the initial coupe debut. Although the car may still see a 2007 debut considering GM has their pension liability under control.
Trim Levels/Powertrain
Perhaps the biggest piece of news that we’ve obtained about the 2008 Chevrolet Camaro is the trim levels and powertrain that will power the icon. Look for a base V6 model an SS model and a highly powerful “***** to the walls Z/28 that will return the Z/28 back to its roots.” The Z/28 model is not expected for release until 1-2 years after the Camaro makes its return.
The base V6 is expected to be powered by the HV 3.9l V6 while the base SS engine is expected to be the Gen IV 5.3l V8. Our sources were tight lipped about power on the Z/28 model, but would only say that the SS will be “very fast, and the Z/28 even faster!” We’ve also been told that the Z/28 will be more of a “Z06, top of the line” type Camaro. AWD has also been mentioned as being part of the powertrain equation. Although no final word has been made on that.
Build Location
How does an American made Camaro sound? Well rumors we’ve heard from a few sources indicate that the Zeta Architecture’d Camaro may be built at GM’s plant in Hamtramck, Michigan. We have also heard that the Camaro may be built in Canada in GM’s Oshawa assembly plant located up north.
While we are on the discussion of Zeta relating to the Camaro it would only be fitting to share our news about its mate the Pontiac Firebird. As of right now there are no plans to include a Firebird platform mate on the Zeta architect. Instead the Pontiac GTO will be built on the Zeta platform and will stick around as Pontiac’s RWD performance coupe.
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HEY CHARLIE!!!!!!!!!!
THE RUMORS ARE TRUE
“The Camaro Is Real”
.......Trim Levels/Powertrain
Perhaps the biggest piece of news that we’ve obtained about the 2008 Chevrolet Camaro is ...... a highly powerful “***** to the walls Z/28 that will return the Z/28 back to its roots.” The Z/28 model is not expected for release until 1-2 years after the Camaro makes its return.
The base V6 is expected to be powered by the HV 3.9l V6 while the base SS engine is expected to be the Gen IV 5.3l V8. Our sources were tight lipped about power on the Z/28 model, but would only say that the SS will be “very fast, and the Z/28 even faster!” We’ve also been told that the Z/28 will be more of a “Z06, top of the line” type Camaro. ....
“The Camaro Is Real”
.......Trim Levels/Powertrain
Perhaps the biggest piece of news that we’ve obtained about the 2008 Chevrolet Camaro is ...... a highly powerful “***** to the walls Z/28 that will return the Z/28 back to its roots.” The Z/28 model is not expected for release until 1-2 years after the Camaro makes its return.
The base V6 is expected to be powered by the HV 3.9l V6 while the base SS engine is expected to be the Gen IV 5.3l V8. Our sources were tight lipped about power on the Z/28 model, but would only say that the SS will be “very fast, and the Z/28 even faster!” We’ve also been told that the Z/28 will be more of a “Z06, top of the line” type Camaro. ....
The new Z/28... A Return to Domination
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Yeah, I think we pretty much knew all of that but the part that is most interesting is the SS and Z28 parts. SS with a 5.3........................? I'm not really liking that. I was hoping for a mid level car to have the 5.3 and let the SS have the 6.0. I guess only the Z28 will have that which is kind of a shame because it appears that the Z28 will only be a lower production/more expensive type vehicle. I am happy that the Z28 returns to the top but not if it is too out of reach from the normal buyer. i price premium like the 4th gen SS is fine but I have a feeling it will be much more.
The base model is about what we expected too and I am pleased with that because i think that engine will make for a pretty quick base model especially if it is the 3V.
Looks like the styling really is set in that direction which still dissapoints me but I won't get into that.
I guess we will have to wait a little longer.
The base model is about what we expected too and I am pleased with that because i think that engine will make for a pretty quick base model especially if it is the 3V.
Looks like the styling really is set in that direction which still dissapoints me but I won't get into that.
I guess we will have to wait a little longer.
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Fellow C&G member AH-HA started the speculation almost one year ago today. On April 19th, 2003 he informed us that the Camaro would be around in 2007 just in time for the “anniversary party.” He was right. The Camaro is infact going to be built once more.
C&G got a scoop on the Camaro’s design from C&G member EVOK. The new Camaro is set to feature a mixture of every generation of the Camaro, right down to the hood scoop that comes from the 4th generation SS. While stying and engineering are nearly complete Crispeys rendition (seen above) has been confirmed to be 85% what the new Camaro will look like. The Camaro team have not yet made a final decision on the front end of the new Camaro and ideas are still being accepted for what the front could look like. Crispey’s rendition features:
C&G got a scoop on the Camaro’s design from C&G member EVOK. The new Camaro is set to feature a mixture of every generation of the Camaro, right down to the hood scoop that comes from the 4th generation SS. While stying and engineering are nearly complete Crispeys rendition (seen above) has been confirmed to be 85% what the new Camaro will look like. The Camaro team have not yet made a final decision on the front end of the new Camaro and ideas are still being accepted for what the front could look like. Crispey’s rendition features:
Their "sources" all seem to be their own members too....
Not trying to start anything, but let's face it, they aren't the only people with this same information......
........
I must stress that the Camaro’s design could change from what Crispey has come up with, but this is generally the look the Camaro will have with a few tweaks here and there. As of right now, the car is more then just a drawing on a board and we’ve heard from quite a few sources that the car is in clay form.
I must stress that the Camaro’s design could change from what Crispey has come up with, but this is generally the look the Camaro will have with a few tweaks here and there. As of right now, the car is more then just a drawing on a board and we’ve heard from quite a few sources that the car is in clay form.
Last edited by Doug Harden; Mar 29, 2004 at 07:12 AM.
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The Z28 information is great! Thanks for listening guys! Hopefully they listen to suggestions about the design of the car also. (no blended mirrors and use cues from all Gens maybe, like the Third 
) Still, if accurate, it is sounding really good so far.
We did know alot (maybe not all) of this already though. I think credit goes to alot here that have always been up on the inside stuff for a long time giving information and hints here and there.
Thanks for listening guys! Hopefully they listen to suggestions about the design of the car also. (no blended mirrors and use cues from all Gens maybe, like the Third ) Still, if accurate, it is sounding really good so far. We did know alot (maybe not all) of this already though. I think credit goes to alot here that have always been up on the inside stuff for a long time giving information and hints here and there.
Last edited by IZ28; Mar 29, 2004 at 07:55 AM.
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Originally posted by Doug Harden
Too bad, it comes of as a lot of self-back slapping for information that has been widely discussed here for a really loooooong time.....
Their "sources" all seem to be their own members too....
Not trying to start anything, but let's face it, they aren't the only people with this same information......
Uuuhhh, didn't Gonzo actually SEE a car last fall?!? I know I've heard the car (or something very close) has already been cliniced...
Too bad, it comes of as a lot of self-back slapping for information that has been widely discussed here for a really loooooong time.....
Their "sources" all seem to be their own members too....
Not trying to start anything, but let's face it, they aren't the only people with this same information......
Uuuhhh, didn't Gonzo actually SEE a car last fall?!? I know I've heard the car (or something very close) has already been cliniced...
(Unless we're thinking of different people)
Still though,
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Story is pretty dead on with what I've had for awhile, save for a few parts.
1. There was a redesigned of the nose since the clinic last year.
2. There was not going to be a Z28 till Camaro fans raised a bit of hell about it, so no more complaining about GM not listening!
3. The name of the car still isn't a certainty. There are those at GM (and I won't mention names), who while are fans of the new Chevy coupe, just assume to call it something other than Camaro (why my write in campaign, and I assume Scott's "Homework assignment" for everyone a few weeks ago)
4. Though it's possible it will be made in Hamtramck, I'd still put my money on Oshawa, as a nod to the CAW.
5. I was a pretty disappointed with the "rumored' production numbers planned, but it seems that someone high up in product feels the same way I do, and seems to be forcing the numbers higher and expanding the model mix beyond "niche" numbers.
If our other few very very knowledgeable guys here want to add something, I hope they do. Otherwise, this is where I'm going to get off.
1. There was a redesigned of the nose since the clinic last year.
2. There was not going to be a Z28 till Camaro fans raised a bit of hell about it, so no more complaining about GM not listening!
3. The name of the car still isn't a certainty. There are those at GM (and I won't mention names), who while are fans of the new Chevy coupe, just assume to call it something other than Camaro (why my write in campaign, and I assume Scott's "Homework assignment" for everyone a few weeks ago)
4. Though it's possible it will be made in Hamtramck, I'd still put my money on Oshawa, as a nod to the CAW.
5. I was a pretty disappointed with the "rumored' production numbers planned, but it seems that someone high up in product feels the same way I do, and seems to be forcing the numbers higher and expanding the model mix beyond "niche" numbers.
If our other few very very knowledgeable guys here want to add something, I hope they do. Otherwise, this is where I'm going to get off.
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Good news, but basicly the same news thats been said on here and other sites. Im not to happy with the set up of the models, but thats me. As an owner of a Z28, I dont think I want it as the top model for several reasons, but thats a different topic.
Engine power is alright, but I only suspect the Gen IV 5.3 to make a bit more power then what the Stang GT will be making. I also think that its a bad move. I dont see the 5.3 making more then 350hp, but thats where I think they are gunna rate that. I really like the idea of a supercharged 6cyl instead of a mid level V8, but its probably cheaper to go with a car based 5.3. I say hp will be at 335 for the 5.3, and a 390hp 6.0. Whatever the top model is, I dont think that a LS7 engine will be a great idea as it will raise the price above what most people want to pay, and leave a mega huge gap. If they do plan to use an LS7, then I hope that mid V8 is raised to above 350. Anyway, Im glad to hear this news, as long as its constant. I hate hearing a bunch of news, and then it dies off. I feel as if the 5th gen rumors are heating up and getting louder. At this rate, by mid next year we should probably be getting some spy shots? Keep the news coming guys. Ill be saving my money.
Engine power is alright, but I only suspect the Gen IV 5.3 to make a bit more power then what the Stang GT will be making. I also think that its a bad move. I dont see the 5.3 making more then 350hp, but thats where I think they are gunna rate that. I really like the idea of a supercharged 6cyl instead of a mid level V8, but its probably cheaper to go with a car based 5.3. I say hp will be at 335 for the 5.3, and a 390hp 6.0. Whatever the top model is, I dont think that a LS7 engine will be a great idea as it will raise the price above what most people want to pay, and leave a mega huge gap. If they do plan to use an LS7, then I hope that mid V8 is raised to above 350. Anyway, Im glad to hear this news, as long as its constant. I hate hearing a bunch of news, and then it dies off. I feel as if the 5th gen rumors are heating up and getting louder. At this rate, by mid next year we should probably be getting some spy shots? Keep the news coming guys. Ill be saving my money.