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Old May 9, 2007 | 03:27 PM
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Lets not forget this is average. If they sell a 55mpg Volt for every two 25mpg Silverados that will average out to 35mpg per car. The rest of the car lineup should have no problem hitting and avg. of 35mpg by 2019.

Performance cars like the Vette will probably avg. high 20's but sell in such low quantities that it doesn't really matter.
Old May 9, 2007 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
Lets not forget this is average. If they sell a 55mpg Volt for every two 25mpg Silverados that will average out to 35mpg per car. The rest of the car lineup should have no problem hitting and avg. of 35mpg by 2019.

Performance cars like the Vette will probably avg. high 20's but sell in such low quantities that it doesn't really matter.

31 posts before someone realized this? Thats sad.
Old May 9, 2007 | 05:11 PM
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Yea, but don't they usually sell like 400,000 Silverado's a year? That means they would need to sell 800,000 Volts to balance it out... not to mention all the other SUV's out there.

In comparison, The Accord, Camry, and Impala sell about 200,000 to 400,000 a year each.
Old May 9, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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...and what full size truck gets that today?

Increasing mileage will not decrease gas consumption, if anything it could drive it up since people will be able to go farther on the same gas they will do more driving. The only real thing we can do to reduce oil consumption, is reduce the oil coming into the country with some kind of alternative fuels, whether it be ethonal or something else. Just my opinion.
Exactly make a fundamental change in what's required to power vehicles. Get totally in front of the issue, instead of standing off to the side shouting orders from the side lines. Treat it like putting a man on the moon, or the Manhattan project. Accomplish the goal instead of playing with it.
Old May 9, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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How will they determine the Volt's MPG? The fact it wont use any in the first 40 miles means that around town could be infinate if you charge it every nite. If you caclute just one infinate MPG car into a fleet every other cars fuel economy becomes meaningless.
Old May 9, 2007 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
Bush is the one that wants to raise CAFE.
Yea and he's also the one that just lifted the presidential ban on drilling in the Gulf and east coast. Seems almost contradictory.
Old May 9, 2007 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
Lets not forget this is average. If they sell a 55mpg Volt for every two 25mpg Silverados that will average out to 35mpg per car. The rest of the car lineup should have no problem hitting and avg. of 35mpg by 2019.

Performance cars like the Vette will probably avg. high 20's but sell in such low quantities that it doesn't really matter.
I believe the current (new???) CAFE regulations are different. Lutz was explaining something about CAFE and how it's now categorized into three or four categories. This keeps the law of averages more in check. Thus the example would be Toyota couldn't sell a 60mpg Prius and get some extra CAFE credit, then produce four Tundras. The idea was to let each car grouping stand on it's own having unique MPG requirements.

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Old May 9, 2007 | 05:48 PM
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Eliminate CAFE. Expand gas guzzler tax so it is comprehensive and progressive based on rated fuel economy.
Old May 11, 2007 | 12:51 PM
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Eliminate CAFE. Expand gas guzzler tax so it is comprehensive and progressive based on rated fuel economy.
That makes way too much sense. You'll never make it in politics.
Old May 11, 2007 | 01:02 PM
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the more reason to bring these 3 puppies to the US:

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=512650
Old May 11, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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I cant understand why anyone would want to have the gas taxes go up. The gov makes more money off of gas then the evil oil companies do. I would rather spend my own money instead of letting the gov do it.
Old May 11, 2007 | 08:01 PM
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Rasing gas taxes seems like it wouldn't help, only make it harder for people who have cars with poor fuel economy to get new ones. Taxing cars that get lower fuel economy would be a better solution. But, why not just let the market determine what cars people buy? I'm pretty sure the only people buying vehicals with poor fuel economy either A) have the need for such a vehical, B) have the money and wouldn't care about a new tax , or C) Are morons and should be ignored because there is no point in helping those who wont help themselves.
Old May 12, 2007 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TOO Z MAXX
I cant understand why anyone would want to have the gas taxes go up. The gov makes more money off of gas then the evil oil companies do. I would rather spend my own money instead of letting the gov do it.
In 2005, ExxonMobil made news as they amassed the largest profit in US corperate history of $36.1 Billion. This is off of total revenue of $371 billion (roughly a 10% profit).

ExxonMoil sold more gas in 2004, yet made less money ($25.3 billion).

Last year ExxonMobil earned $39.5 billion on total revenue of $377 billion. Before you bring up the fact that income rose $3.4 billion yet revenue rose 6, consider that ExxonMobil (before taxes) saw their income jump from $59.4 billion to $67.4 billion, a gain of $8 billion.

Yet total revenue climbed only $6 billion.

How?

Investment in exploration dropped 5% last year.
They also reduced their deductions by $1 billion.

Taxes based on sales for ExxonMobil dropped from $30.7 to $30.3 billion, which means ExxonMobil sold LESS fuel in 2006 that in 2005.


The summary ExxonMobil made more money selling less fuel and made more profit by doing less exploration and thopugh they paid more taxes, the income increase they did make was essentially free money that required little effort.


Feeling that oil companies can do no wrong, and that government shouldn't cost anybody anything (even though the US has the lowest tax rate in the industrialized world, and over 90% of the income the government makes goes into actually paying for something for the public good) aren't exactly the brightest bulbs in the house, are you?
Old May 12, 2007 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TOO Z MAXX
I cant understand why anyone would want to have the gas taxes go up. The gov makes more money off of gas then the evil oil companies do. I would rather spend my own money instead of letting the gov do it.
Tru'dat, corperations just pass taxes along to the consumer, I'd say they rarely if ever take a tax as a an operating expense hit.
Old May 12, 2007 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
Lets not forget this is average. If they sell a 55mpg Volt for every two 25mpg Silverados that will average out to 35mpg per car. The rest of the car lineup should have no problem hitting and avg. of 35mpg by 2019.
Originally Posted by Ken S
Yea, but don't they usually sell like 400,000 Silverado's a year? That means they would need to sell 800,000 Volts to balance it out

Actually that means they would only need to sell 200,000 Volts every year in that scenario since 1 Volt = two Silverados, you only need to sell half as much.




guionM: How much did ExxonMobil give the CEO that retired a couple years ago? Wasn't it around 400 million? Although I believe about half of that was in stock or something.
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