If this is part of the supposed saving of Ford then I'm not going to be impressed. There is a perception that no domestic manufacturer can compete in the MPG category so it's going to be necessary to blow people away.

GM and Ford both need to be hitting 40 mpg highway and ASAP in as many models as possible.

 

If you go to Chevys website, the LS and LT 1 @ 2 does not have a 6-speed standard with the 4 cyl. It is not even an option from what I saw. As mentioned earlier, only the high priced LTZ has the 6 speed auto option with the 4 cyl, which is retarded to say the least.

 

So, you have seen the 2010 Fusion??? Wow, you must be very privledged.

I do not know the pricing on the 2010 Fusion yet. I imagine it will be a few months till that comes out.

So, gross, having significantly better mileage than the Camry/Accord is not good enough. They have to have a flux capacitor, and run on rainbows and daisies for anyone to care???

No matter how they try, Ford cannot have the sales that Camry/Accord does, they are capacity challanged.

 

Try this guys.

http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/dom...009&regionID=1

For 2009, the 2.4L A6 is a 1LT option.

 

Twin-turbo 4-cylinder? What engine are you talking about, and why would you need twin turbos for a 4-cylinder?


edit: and if you're more interested in twin-turbo 4-cylinder, then clearly this car is not for you.

 

Are the current MPG standards much different than in 1981-1982?
Reason I ask is that the 82 Firebird with the 4cyl Iron Duke was rated at 34mpg on the highway, according to the 82 Firebird Promo video.

 

Fusion ugly? Except for the rear taillights, which look a little cheesy to me, I think the Fusion is one handsome car.

The Malibu looks good when in its better duds, but the front of the Malibu just isn't quite right.

I like 'em both.

 

Glad to hear it. All I was saying is you cant buy one currently which is retarded. I guess GM realized this also. Especially since the competition has 5 speed autos and CVT in their base cars.

 

33mpg under the 1970's-2007 rating system 30mpg under the 2008 EPA rating system.

34mpg under the new rating system is damn good. That is better than many compact and sub compact cars. Malibu is 30mpg w/ the 4spd and 33mpg w/ the 6spd. This new Fusion is a big jump over the 29mpg the current car gets.

for the record, other automatic 4 cyl. cars:

2009 Honda Accord 4cyl. = 31mpg
2009 Toyota Camry 4 cyl. = 31mpg
2009 Hyundai Sonata 4cyl. = 32mpg
2009 Chevy Malibu 4 cyl. = 33mpg
2009 Volkswagen Jetta 4cyl. = 29mpg
2008 Dodge Avenger 4cyl. = 30mpg
2008 Nissan Versa 4cyl. =32mpg
2008 Nissan Altima 4cyl. = 31mpg
2009 Toyota Corolla 4 cyl. = 35mpg
2009 Chevrolet Aveo5 4cyl. = 34mpg

As far as large hybrid sedans go...

Toyota Camry hybrid = 33/34
Nissan Altima Hybrid = 35/33
Ford Escape Hybrid = 34/31 (not a sedan, but thrown in just for good measure)

It would be awesome if the Ford Fusion hybrid could get 40/40mpg

 

the engines mentioned in the following thread, (oh and i guess they are single turbo, though there may be some confusion about what "twin-force" means for these engines)...

https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...ghlight=fusion

the fusion is the car for me (as I currently have a milan), though I suppose I shouldn't be interested in an engine that is expected to deliver nearly 30 mpg city and 40 mpg highway (hopefully without the the hybrid price).

 

The general public perceive domestic cars as having poor reliability, bad fuel mileage, worse residual value(that's actually the case most of the time), and poor dealers. It's going to take a lot more than a little increase in fuel economy to change that.

Also what is this significantly better mileage comment? 34 compared to 31 is not going to be the factor that switches someone over from a foreign car manufacturer to a domestic. If it was something like 40 mpg then you might have a case.

 

Well then, I guess noone will buy any of the domestic midsizers.

I consider 34 to be considerably better than 31. The Fusion has received accolades in CR for its quality also.............. so people are noticing. As much as we all dislike that publication, alot of people use it as a bible when car shopping. If the Fusion can just get on their list to look at, the fuel economy and lower price can reel them in.

If they actually care at all about driving, then the driving experience will definitally sell them.

As they stand right now, Ford is selling every single one they are building, and they are selling them fast. These upgrades will just solidify them with the buying public.

With technology where it is at right now, incremental improvements are all you are going to see. There is no magic dust that they can sprinkle on current cars, to get the midsizers over 40mpg. NOBODY is doing it............. in a regular gas powered car (as in not hybrid or diesel).

If you are waiting for magic dust to save the Domestics, you have a long wait ahead of you.

 

Way to completely miss my point. It's a good increase in fuel mileage for this car yes. Is it going to snag any buyers who wouldn't have picked one up before? Doubtful.

I'd love to see Ford and GM powerful again but getting all hyped up over this "insider news" that was posted on yahoo is kind of silly. This is still strictly a reactionary step.

If anything should get you excited about that article it's this, "Ford on Thursday announced plans to retool two truck factories to make small cars, in addition to a Mexican truck plant that will be revamped to make the Fiesta.

Hinrichs said all the plants will be flexible enough to build multiple vehicles off the same underpinnings, including several small cars and crossover vehicles. The same vehicles will be built and sold worldwide."

That's much better news.

 

You know how some people are, if you are critical of anything they say they get all defensive because they perceive things as a personal attack. Those people should stay just off the internet.

 

It is doubtful that a midsize hybrid today is going to get 40mpg. (Prius is technically a midsize car, but it is shorter than a Corolla. When you see the other hybrids improving city mileage and no real improvements on the highway, for this reason, I doubt 40mpg is coming on midsize cars today or in 2 years.

I also don't think the driving experience of a car that will get 34mpg highway and is this size is going to have a good driving experience. They didn't mention the horsepower that this vehicle will have, but it is going to have to improve upon current offerings to make sales on driving experience.