We haven't done that for years, around here anyway. Does that mean we're just as good as you now?

 

Ah, they are not close to identical. The Lucerne shares a platform with the new DTS; they are both large luxury cars. The G6 sits on the Epsilon midsize platform. You might think they look similar (I disagree, other than they have 4 doors and a trunk, along with 4 wheels), but I assure you they are not identical.

Again, the parking lot outside has two Lucernes. One is a primer-colored very early car, the other a more recent example in black. The camo just came off yesterday when they were announced at the Chicago auto show.

Parked not 20 feet away from both of them are two G6s (3.9L, one auto, one six speed).

They do not look alike.

 

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Have you looked at the links I posted to the G6 and lucerne side by side? You cant possibly tell me they dont look the same in those pictures. Hell, they have the exact same front skirt..same doors and hood lines..same mirros pillars everything.

At least look at the links.

 

I see what you are saying, but you aren't saying it very well. lol

He is saying that the flares on the fenders and qtr, the chrome belt mldg, the run channels on the glass, the character line above the door handle running the length of the car, the body color mirror with the mounts being black, the angle of the A-pillar and the way the windshield is reccessed in, the thin painted body side moldings, the belt line and how it angles up to the trunk line, and the bumper foglights all look similar. The only thing is that on the Buick, they are somewhate reshaped.

Personally, I think it looks like a Mercury Sable frt end!! I like the interior though.

 

I can somewhat see in those pictures how you might see a resemblance in a few areas (somewhat similar, though much less pronounced in the Buick, wedge shape). The mirrors are totally different, though, as is the greenhouse (look at a rear 3/4 view to see the totally different C-pillar). Trust me, in person, they don't look alike. The Buick is MUCH bigger, for one thing. Even in those pics, the character line that catches the light is different on each. It is higher on the Buick, too (I paid attention to this yesterday as I examined the two cars after reading AAAAAA's first post).

Anyway, I happen to think the G6 looks good, and I also think this new Buick looks good. I do see a little VW Phaeton in the rear, but I'm not sure that is a horrible thing. The Phaeton's slow sales have more to do with its lame pricetag - and its stiff competition from the A8 ( ) - than with the styling, which is pretty sharp from some angles.

I don't see much G6 in it though, and be assured that they have nothing in common platform-wise.

 

can someone photoshop some dubs on that thing already?

 

This car will NOT do well in Canada.

Safeway sells Lucerne milk lol.

 

Looks prety decent for a Buick.

The 3.8L as the base engine sucks! If Buick is going upscale and after Lexus it needs a 3.6L HF V6--with a minimum of 250 hp. Bump the Northstar to 300--and 6 speed automatics.

 

thats a heavy car for that v6 engine...gonna be a DOGGG...unless you get the v8.

 

The same-sized Park Avenue (which the Lucerne is replacing) has been selling for years with the 3800 as the base engine, with the uplevel "Ultra" getting the 240 hp supercharged 3800. The N/A engine It might be a "DOGGG" ( ) by our standards, but not of the 65 year old lady who will likely buy that model.

I too am surpised and irritated that the base engine will be the 3800 rather than the 3.6L, mainly from a marketing standpoint. Heck, they put the 3.6L in the Rendezvous, for Pete's sake! But realistically, 200 hp is enough to move that car decently (0-60 times probably in the 8.xx range). And for those (like us) who want more, now they can have a 275 hp V8 instead.

Geez, the evidently immortal 3800... *sigh*

 

230 torque, that should be fine. Like 96_Camaro_B4C said the 3800 has been enough power for the LeSabre, Bonnie, GP, Impala.

Powerwise the 3800 is ok, image wise that is another story. DOHC 2.8L or 3.6L would have been great, even the 240HP 3.9L HV V6 would have been better.

 

1. The 3800 is definitely NOT OKAY in the power department, at least for a car of this size and weight. The base Lucerne might be able to out-accelerate the base Chrysler 300 or Ford's Five-Hundred, but it will be left in the dust by every competitive import sedan.

2. None of GM's normally-aspirated V6 engines can match Toyota's new 280 horsepower V6. It seems strange to say this, but the Toyota Avalon is the new "performance benchmark" for this market segment.

 

1. previous 3800 cars of this size had no problems. 230 tq vs. 260 tq in the Toyota, it isn't not far behind.

2. THe Toyota V6 hits 280 @ 6200 rpm, people will not be drag racing these cars, how many old ladies will be driving at redline. low end toque is where it is at in this segment.

3. GMs DOHC 3.6L hits its peak torque at 1500rpm before the Toyota and is puting out about the same torque at on 87 Octane , Toyota needs the 20¢ a gallon more expensive premium gas

4. If need more than 230tq you can get the DOHC V8 with 300 lb-ft. that is 40 more than the toyotas peak number.

 

Bags > jugs :yup:

- Less packaging waste.
- Only 1/3 of your milk is unsealed at any one time, keeping the remainder fresher.
- Those with weak/arthritic wrists only have to hoist 1.3L instead of 3.78.

 

This is a great point, and one that magazine racers (not to mention any names here) rarely pick up on. You always hear how Nissan's or Acura's or Toyota's similarly sized V6s put out more power, but no one ever mentions that they need premium fuel to do it. Give kudos to GM for doing what's in the best interest of their consumers, even if it means losing brownie points from those who don't know better.