2004 Impreza WRX STi MSRP $30,995
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2004 Impreza WRX STi MSRP $30,995
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HID's and Brembo's.. side air bags.. 300 hp/300 lb-ft not bad.. think they still look ugly..
I forgot Subaru is headquatered in my home town...
HID's and Brembo's.. side air bags.. 300 hp/300 lb-ft not bad.. think they still look ugly..
I forgot Subaru is headquatered in my home town...
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Originally posted by Z28Marcus
Better looking than the gimmicky looking Lancer EVO IMO.
Ditch the tacky rear wing/spoiler and it looks good. That wing just yells 'rice'.
Better looking than the gimmicky looking Lancer EVO IMO.
Ditch the tacky rear wing/spoiler and it looks good. That wing just yells 'rice'.
Anyway, I'm amazed that Subaru didn't just turn up the boost on the regular WRX. That's precisely what Audi/VW does with their 20-valve turbo 1.8. There's some actually equipment to back up the higher price.
Unfortunately, I keep thinking $20K SRT-4. Maybe Sube is headed in the wrong direction.
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Not exactly the cup of tea for a Camaro site, but I actually like these cars.
Having said that, I think $30,000 is a bit high for what is basically a factory tuned $15,000 sedan. In it's favor, it represents exactly what '60s era muscle cars were. Engine packages that doubled the price of the car, while having some legendary performance, which these cars do. But then you get into the same questions asked back in the 60s, "these cheap cars with these engines are awfully close in price to supposedly more expensive cars". Some very cheap cars of the 60s ended up costing more than purpose built quick cars like the Z28 or mid grade Corvettes.
At $20 grand, I'd say these cars are great. At $25K, I'd say OK. But at $30K, I really start wondering what it would cost to have the job done yourself, and that's when I start wondering wouldn't I rather have a comfortable, faster, and just about as quick LS1 GTO (let alone an LS6 version).
Having said that, I think $30,000 is a bit high for what is basically a factory tuned $15,000 sedan. In it's favor, it represents exactly what '60s era muscle cars were. Engine packages that doubled the price of the car, while having some legendary performance, which these cars do. But then you get into the same questions asked back in the 60s, "these cheap cars with these engines are awfully close in price to supposedly more expensive cars". Some very cheap cars of the 60s ended up costing more than purpose built quick cars like the Z28 or mid grade Corvettes.
At $20 grand, I'd say these cars are great. At $25K, I'd say OK. But at $30K, I really start wondering what it would cost to have the job done yourself, and that's when I start wondering wouldn't I rather have a comfortable, faster, and just about as quick LS1 GTO (let alone an LS6 version).
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Originally posted by guionM
Not exactly the cup of tea for a Camaro site, but I actually like these cars.
Having said that, I think $30,000 is a bit high for what is basically a factory tuned $15,000 sedan. In it's favor, it represents exactly what '60s era muscle cars were. Engine packages that doubled the price of the car, while having some legendary performance, which these cars do. But then you get into the same questions asked back in the 60s, "these cheap cars with these engines are awfully close in price to supposedly more expensive cars". Some very cheap cars of the 60s ended up costing more than purpose built quick cars like the Z28 or mid grade Corvettes.
Apparently some people back in the 60s would have agreed. The aluminum block ZL-1 Camaro was awesome, but for Corvette prices nobody was buying. Is it any surprise that leftover ZL-1 stocks lead GM to invent the "factory rebate?"
Not exactly the cup of tea for a Camaro site, but I actually like these cars.
Having said that, I think $30,000 is a bit high for what is basically a factory tuned $15,000 sedan. In it's favor, it represents exactly what '60s era muscle cars were. Engine packages that doubled the price of the car, while having some legendary performance, which these cars do. But then you get into the same questions asked back in the 60s, "these cheap cars with these engines are awfully close in price to supposedly more expensive cars". Some very cheap cars of the 60s ended up costing more than purpose built quick cars like the Z28 or mid grade Corvettes.
Apparently some people back in the 60s would have agreed. The aluminum block ZL-1 Camaro was awesome, but for Corvette prices nobody was buying. Is it any surprise that leftover ZL-1 stocks lead GM to invent the "factory rebate?"
So by this standard, the SRT-4 is a great bargain, the standard Impreza WRX is acceptable, and the WRX STi and EVO are really pushing the price envelope. Given the choice between an Evo and a GTO, I'd have to go GTO myself. The new Poncho may look a little like a sedan, the Commodore, but at least its not an economy car beneath the mods. I might look more kindly on the STi, but the base WRX is a fairly decent car for $6K less.[/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by centric
People who buy a $15K car with $16K of options will soon feel even more stupid than those who paid over sticker for a ZR1.
Plus, it's ugly and sounds like a tractor.
People who buy a $15K car with $16K of options will soon feel even more stupid than those who paid over sticker for a ZR1.
Plus, it's ugly and sounds like a tractor.
I'm willing to bet you've never heard the exhaust on one--certainly not this car as it's not even on the streets yet. My WRX is very quiet and hearing the turbo spool up is actually pretty enjoyable. You see these fart-nozzled Civics and Neons on the streets and categorize these well-engineered Evos and WRXs as the same thing.As far as pricing--what the hell is a WS6 or an SS? It's a 17k base Camaro with 17K of options. I hate to break it to you, but a base Camaro isn't that glamorous either. Some of you are up to your eyes in bullsh_t and double standards.
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hmm...let's dissect my ws6 from a base firebird (btw, just saying things that all f-body owners already know):
first off, it was $30k, not $34k (?)
next is the bulletproof ls1, making a laughably rated 325 horsepower and 350 ft/lbs backed by a six speed gearbox.
upgraded suspension
upgraded interior
upgraded sound system
upgraded body panels (spoiler, nose, hood)
upgraded exhaust
t-tops
bigger wheels/tires
and maybe most important of all, upgraded resale value
price all of those things out and see if they come up to around 13K, because i think it's right on the money. is it worth the extra $13k to move up to seriously enabled sports car from it's alreadly mildy sporty base model? some people think so (i.e. me), but some might not, so...
Now, is it worth doubling the price of a car designed for gas mileage and general commuting purposes to get it to perform like a sports car with a big engine? some might say, some might not.
the difference people are trying to point out is that when you buy a high-end camaro/firebird, you're starting out with a sports car - the base model is a sports car. and it's not like the car was designed for a v-6 anyway, they merely install those engines to sell in mass quantities. when you buy a high end impreza or lancer, you're starting out with an econobox not designed for the same purposes as the sports car (although the impreza might be, idk). They were designed for the small, wimpy engines that come in their base models, and to put around town saving gas. do you see the distinction? i'm not trying to flame, i'm just pointing out a different viewpoint.
first off, it was $30k, not $34k (?)
next is the bulletproof ls1, making a laughably rated 325 horsepower and 350 ft/lbs backed by a six speed gearbox.
upgraded suspension
upgraded interior
upgraded sound system
upgraded body panels (spoiler, nose, hood)
upgraded exhaust
t-tops
bigger wheels/tires
and maybe most important of all, upgraded resale value
price all of those things out and see if they come up to around 13K, because i think it's right on the money. is it worth the extra $13k to move up to seriously enabled sports car from it's alreadly mildy sporty base model? some people think so (i.e. me), but some might not, so...
Now, is it worth doubling the price of a car designed for gas mileage and general commuting purposes to get it to perform like a sports car with a big engine? some might say, some might not.
the difference people are trying to point out is that when you buy a high-end camaro/firebird, you're starting out with a sports car - the base model is a sports car. and it's not like the car was designed for a v-6 anyway, they merely install those engines to sell in mass quantities. when you buy a high end impreza or lancer, you're starting out with an econobox not designed for the same purposes as the sports car (although the impreza might be, idk). They were designed for the small, wimpy engines that come in their base models, and to put around town saving gas. do you see the distinction? i'm not trying to flame, i'm just pointing out a different viewpoint.
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Originally posted by jrp4uc
Sounds like a tractor? I'm willing to bet you've never heard the exhaust on one--certainly not this car as it's not even on the streets yet. My WRX is very quiet and hearing the turbo spool up is actually pretty enjoyable. You see these fart-nozzled Civics and Neons on the streets and categorize these well-engineered Evos and WRXs as the same thing.
As far as pricing--what the hell is a WS6 or an SS? It's a 17k base Camaro with 17K of options. I hate to break it to you, but a base Camaro isn't that glamorous either. Some of you are up to your eyes in bullsh_t and double standards.
Sounds like a tractor?
I'm willing to bet you've never heard the exhaust on one--certainly not this car as it's not even on the streets yet. My WRX is very quiet and hearing the turbo spool up is actually pretty enjoyable. You see these fart-nozzled Civics and Neons on the streets and categorize these well-engineered Evos and WRXs as the same thing.As far as pricing--what the hell is a WS6 or an SS? It's a 17k base Camaro with 17K of options. I hate to break it to you, but a base Camaro isn't that glamorous either. Some of you are up to your eyes in bullsh_t and double standards.
) are OK. But at $30K, that's getting a bit much. I think the point being raised is that the Legacy and Impreza are designed & engineered from day one as cheap, economical sedans, whereas Camaro is purpose built as a high capability car. Cavaliers tend to cost more than Lancers or Impreza. Even if Cavalier was better made, what would be the reaction of a $30,000 version, even with AWD & a turbo?
Not questioning the car, but I don't think it's worth the $6,000 premium over your own WRX jrp4uc, let alone knocking on the door of the price of a supercharged Cobra.
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Originally posted by centric
People who buy a $15K car with $16K of options will soon feel even more stupid than those who paid over sticker for a ZR1.
Plus, it's ugly and sounds like a tractor.
People who buy a $15K car with $16K of options will soon feel even more stupid than those who paid over sticker for a ZR1.
Plus, it's ugly and sounds like a tractor.
It amazes me how a community of performance enthusiasts hates a car that performs so well and only costs $30K. Who cares where it came from, that means a whole lot of nothing. It might share the same basic unibody as the impreza, but it is heavily reinforced and modified. This isn't just an ipreza w/some bolt ons.
This may be the new generation of muscle cars. WRX = z/28 STi = SS.
It will be interesting to see how the mustang and future comaro compete with this.
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Originally posted by slt
STi's and EVO's can be considered no excuse performance cars. Mid 13's and near 1g , these cars do it ALL well. They even carry an extra couple of people in the back seat.
It amazes me how a community of performance enthusiasts hates a car that performs so well and only costs $30K. Who cares where it came from, that means a whole lot of nothing. It might share the same basic unibody as the impreza, but it is heavily reinforced and modified. This isn't just an ipreza w/some bolt ons.
This may be the new generation of muscle cars. WRX = z/28 STi = SS.
It will be interesting to see how the mustang and future comaro compete with this.
STi's and EVO's can be considered no excuse performance cars. Mid 13's and near 1g , these cars do it ALL well. They even carry an extra couple of people in the back seat.
It amazes me how a community of performance enthusiasts hates a car that performs so well and only costs $30K. Who cares where it came from, that means a whole lot of nothing. It might share the same basic unibody as the impreza, but it is heavily reinforced and modified. This isn't just an ipreza w/some bolt ons.
This may be the new generation of muscle cars. WRX = z/28 STi = SS.
It will be interesting to see how the mustang and future comaro compete with this.
My biggest problem with these cars are the wrappers they come in...
Not trying to flame, but, to me, they look like homely 80's Japanese 4-door cars, that have been sent to the local ricer for appearance mods.
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
My biggest problem with these cars are the wrappers they come in...
Not trying to flame, but, to me, they look like homely 80's Japanese 4-door cars, that have been sent to the local ricer for appearance mods.
My biggest problem with these cars are the wrappers they come in...
Not trying to flame, but, to me, they look like homely 80's Japanese 4-door cars, that have been sent to the local ricer for appearance mods.