And saturn

 

IMO if they got rid of pontiac i would move on to ford chevy has nothing in their that i want other then a vette (but i can't afford one yet) pontiac is really the only brand of GM that have cars that look halfway decent. chevy has always been 2nd to pontiac but they sell more and thats all that matters to GM ,pontiacs have for the most part have always looked better,more options base and interior is far above anything chevy has. so if pontiac goes i go with them.

 

Let's not jump to conclusions here, but just ahead of time...if it ever does happen, Chrysler/Dodge will get all of my future business.

 

yea i hate ford way more then dodge, altho i think dodge cant make anything right id give my buisness to them before anyone else... i want a new firebird so much... and then i was thinking GTO, then I was think solistice, even a Grand Prix, which just won the first 3 places in one of the recent races.... how can they axe that?

Pontiac has so much to offer, it just needs a little help, as does Chevy and a few others...

The platform designs are good, because they offer multipule car designs without to much overhead...

 

Wrong!

Anytime you have multiple entities selling the same car, you are shooting the costs right through the roof. ALL of it in overhead.

You have separate divisions. Each division has their own marketing department. Each has their own dealer network. Each has their own advertizing budgets. You have double the people working from the General Manager on down to the people who do followups on your purchase.

All for essentially the same car!

If the same people are buying both the Grand Prix and the Impala, or there is enough of an overlap that a single good design can attract both buyers, you not only save on creating 2 designs for the same car, even bigger is the overhead you save by having a single marketing, dealer, & service network.

When GM had 45% or even 30% of the market, multiple division making multiple versions of the same car was financially feasible. But if GM getrs to just 20% of the market (where they are now if you dismiss fleet & discounted or employee sales), GM ends up being crushed under it's own weight.

GM is at a point where it has to do one of 3 things:

1. End vehicle overlap, and have each division the sole producer of certain chassis.

2. Make differences between each division more clear, ie: each division has a single level of a chassis. A Grand Prix would come only in GXP level, LeCrosse would come only as a more soft luxury level, and Impala would only come in value trim.

3. GM would have to trim redundant divisions. Right now, Pontiac is the most redundant of all GM divisions. Every model it has is also being made by another GM division, and Pontiac and Chevrolet buyers are virturally interchangable.

 

What about GMC? Although I can see a need for GMC over Pontiac, I think GMC is more reduntant than Pontiac since Pontiac has two cars that aren't shared with anything else in GMNA.

 

well the way i see it, its essentally the same car yes, but it attracts different people, like I wouldnt buy the Impala but I would buy the Grand Prix, the Grand Prix looks so much nicer and sleaker although its exactly the same besides any skin over the top of it... now for the Vans and the Trucks, and everything else... yea they are redundant, but like the firebird, unfortunatly i didnt used to like the firebird, accually i thought it was ugly, even when i bought mine i got it cause of the engine... i loved the camaros, but i never thought about the firebird... now i would buy a 02' WS6 before I were to get a vette... i think the WS6 looks nicer although they are different style

but it may cost a lot more i dont know

 

Chevy is 2nd rate!! if you want a cheap ok car go to a chevy dealer the only thing chevy gots going for them is the C6 vette and thats it everything else they offer is outdated and old. ohh i forgot the impala and monte get redone next year. (a new front,rear clip and it's a new model ) if GM gets rid of pontiac they'll lose alot. personal in my city i see far more grand prix then impalas. and the GTO is selling great from what i've heard. and with the solstice next year pontiac will have a whole new line up and chevy will still have the old impala and monte. just because chevy sells more everybody assume's it's a better brand. haven't we seen this before?? thats right the f-body. the mustang out sold the f-body 2 to 1. so based on that alot of people think the stang is a better car. and we all know the truth about that .

and at the rate chevy's going with the (new) camaro it will be 2100 before anybody see's that. give it a year chevy will take the 98-02 put new front and rear clips on them give it the 5.3L V8 and call it the new camaro!! can't give it the LS2 because it will be competing with the vette and gto and we all know that next camaro must compete with the mustang on (price,power and looks) just my thoughts

 

saddly GM's problem is it competes more with itself then Ford or anyone else

 

There are times on this board I wonder where the HELL people come up with this anti-GM mentality. Not competing with Ford? Where the HELL do you come up with that assumption?

The Ford 500 is as vanilla as they come. The '06 Impala looks sharp and in top form will offer ONE HUNDRED HP more than a 500 Limited. But that means it doesn't compete?

Or, how about a GTO that came within 1 point of beating the Mustang in a recent C&D road test, a test that has been proven to be a friggen joke. C&D was trying to defend their own 10 best choice and nothing more.

How about the G6? The Fusion is still a year away, and when it does show up will be 30 HP shy of the party?

Oh wait, I am sure the Focus is better than the Cobalt, right? No, I don't think so there, either...

So wait, exactly WHERE does Ford own GM, as some of you whiners seem to keep claiming? With the Mustang? Maybe...but the GTO, in its niche, crushes the current GT. With the Crown Vic? Right...the Thunderbird? Oh sure...that car is less popular than even the SSR, and is getting canned later this year.

Meanwhile, we have the TrailBlazer SS, Cobalt SS, C6, Ion Redline, Grand Prix GXP etc. that go un-challenged by Ford. So exactly how does GM NOT compete with Ford?

With all due respect, some of you need to get your head out of your *** and visit your local GM dealer. You might just be surprised.