I was thinking the exact same thing

Looks like a minivan like that

 

Apparently we have a high ratio of (insert random drug here) smokers on this board.

 

I see the LS4 has a 10:1 compression ratio like the LS1

Anyone think this thing might be underrated? Or maybe the tranny handicapping is what is giving it the lower rating. Also note power figures are estimates.

The Silverado L33 5.3L V8 has a CR of 9.5:1 and is putting out 310HP/335tq running on 87 octane.

Something to think about

 

This engine will not see life in any future Camaro/Chevelle. As stated in the GM press release: "Engineered specifically for front-drive layouts". As for power levels, to think that any future Zeta car would have more power than the base Corvette is completely absurd. GM won't even let Cadillac touch Corvette's numbers, so to think a Camaro/Chevelle would have more than 400 HP is a pipe-dream.

 

Yeah...who is stupid to think that the 05 GTO would share the LS2 and have 400hp. Or Caddy having 400hp as well....oh wait...

Its only Chevy's that follow the Corvette rule. Pontiac and Caddy have since told Team Vette to shove it, or so Im told.

 

I think you're reading too much into it. They mean that this particular application is engineered for FWD cars, with it own induction, accessory drive, crankshaft, and other stuff needed for FWD duty. It wouldn't take a lot of effort to make RWD.

CTS-V gets 400 HP, which is more than base level Corvettes. The whole issue around "the rule" has been debunked on here many times.

 

what is this the ford lightning? we dont need monster hp numbers to be fast. we need a good car that doesnt weigh almost 4k pounds decently loaded. people need to get their head out of their *** and realize that.

expecting a car to go from a 250 hp v6 base model to a 400hp mid level model and then higher for a top of the line model IS a pipe dream. i wouldnt be at all surprised (nor dissappointed) when and IF the mid level model appears it has similar numbers as the LS1 cars (~300hp range) and the top of the line model has 350-375 maybe 400 at the MOST. i dont see a problem with that if the car is nice. way too many people get caught up in this stupid hp war that they forget the most important parts: weight and power delivery.

 

I agree with your basic point.

 

Wait, there are people on here who want a 400hp mid-level v8? ...And people though I was crazy when I thought the GTO's upper model should get an LS7

a 5.3 is PLENTY for a mid level v8. my dads silvy has a 285hp 5.3 and that thing gets it, even in a truck. So if you tack on another 50hp which would be expected in camaro, lose quite a bit of weight (from the truck), and have decent gearing (should be easily manageable, especially with DoD) your going to have a car which should run right in LS1 camaro territory.... and for that matter, capable of defeating the new mustang, especially with their crappy gearing.

However, if we DID get a 400 hp mid-level v8, i would by no means be disappointed

 

First, a loaded F-car doesn't weigh 4000 lbs. 3500-3600 lbs. is fairly reasonable (not counting convertibles).

Any idiot who states we don't need monster hp numbers should be driving a Honda.

The car, REGARDLESS OF PLATFORM will end up in the 3400-3600lbs. range.


The midlevel model, if launched in 2008 or so will need about 400hp to stay clearly faster than a Mustang GT, which will be it's true competitor. Ford will not be sitting on their hands for the next 4 years.

On top of that, full-book SS's will have a raft of cars to deal with in the +400hp range. M3's, Hemi Chryslers, etc...

It'll need to comfortably be able to blow all of the above into the weeds.

Now, the assumption that the V6 will only have 250hp is flawed in my opinion. I'm guessing we'll see a 275ish hp variant very soon.

I will also remind you that the LS1 cars WERE NOT 300hp cars - they were MUCH closer to 350hp than 300hp and routinely turned over ~310hp at the rear wheels PRIOR to full break in (mine laid down 308rwhp, dead stock, at 1400 miles).

 

Assuming the 5th Gen is the same weight or lighter than the 4th, I'd expect a mid range 5.3L Camaro to be about as fast as a 4th gen high end LS1 Camaro which is pretty damn good in my book.

The LS2 is a must for the higher end Camaro and it seems like GM powertrain is giving these out like they are candy so I have no doubt the Camaro will get one.

 

i guess i should be driving a honda then because i personally dont see the need for a middle Camaro to have 400hp. thats rediculous. im not going to complain if it does but at the same time im not going to complain if it doesnt.

yes i have seen 4th gen WS6 cars that weighed 3800 lbs fully loaded. that is WAY WAY WAY too much (almost 1000 lbs too much). there is NO reason in this day and age that a b8 powered rwd coupe should weigh over 3400 lbs FULLY loaded. these cars were called pony cars for a reason. and it wasnt because people needed to avoid certain bridges because of weight requirements...


i dont forsee a gt mustang being in that range. because if so it pushes the whole model line up to higher hp levels. you forget, there is still a cobra version thats supposed to go after the vette and then other post production special edition vehicles coming out (ala Mach 1). you also fail to mention that a very small percent of mustangs will be the v8 cars. wasnt a few years ago everyone talking about the camaro being a good performance buy? (it was) but thats it. gm didnt pay attention to anything other than performance. i personally attribute part of its lacking sales to that. but now its being said that most all mustangs by 07 will be 400hp cars? doubtful.

[QUOTE]On top of that, full-book SS's will have a raft of cars to deal with in the +400hp range. M3's, Hemi Chryslers, etc...[QUOTE]

all hemi chryslers right now are 4 door luxary sedans or wagons. anyone who cross shops an M3 with a camaro or a Hemi Wagon with a Camaro is simply looking for a status symbol. people looking for M3s will look at the GTO before the Camaro. so that means there needs to be a big HP GTO coming out (o wait, the LS2 IS coming out...)

sure. you give it a good horsepower to weight ratio and it will. THAT is what it comes down to. not which manufacturer rates their car higher.

i dont really want to see much more than 275 hp for a base model. think about that for a minute. when most kids get an fbody, which ones do they usually get if its new? thats right a base model v6. i dont want little jimmy learning to drive on a v6 that can run ls1 times with a few bolt ons.

werent we arguing factory ratings tho? the power it makes with the reliability it has, the smoothness, the economy all make the LSx series of engines IMO the second best engine ever made. second only to the 2JZ-GTE of the Mark 4 supras. but thats something totally different.

 

275HP is LT1 power, and even though the HP war has pushed performance throw the roof, LT1 are no slug, and probably too mush HP for most.

 

That better be a base V8, with an LS2 as an option. I've been spoiled by my LS1, and if I'm buying a 5th gen, it better still be an LS1 or LS2 as an option. I don't think it would be smart putting that v8 in the camaro, seeing as how the LS1 put more HP to the wheels than that has at the flywheel. But that's just me.

 

Riiiiiiiiight......

We all hope so.

If the GT will be its true competitor, 350 should be on par. Current GT trapping 99 - 102 mph is nothing to be feared, and considering Ford's history, I doubt we will see base GT ratings climb past 320 HP. As long as 5th Gen gets consistent 3 - 5 mph advantage in 1/4 mi...

That might be true with special editions Fords, but again, you will hardly see any massive push for HP for the mainstream GT. Why, and for whom?

This will be the job of high end Camaro, the Z28 / SS. NOT THE BASE V8.

It's one thing to have wishful thinking, and another to be alittle more realistic in one's expectations. I surely hope that we all are surprised with the performance of the next gen, but frankly your name calling with "idiots" is totally unnecessary and irrelevant. Your post was a little foolish for you to make such a bold remark.