My father-in-law has lived in the UP all his life, and currently uses a '99 C1500 as his daily-driver. So much for that. And when I lived in the UP for five years, I drove either a 4x2 Isuzu pickup truck or a Chevy G20 van.

I refuse to drink from the "RWD Is Death!" Kool-Aid.

 

Yes, but the Majority of Public perception is EXACTLY that - and that is who's buying the majority of cars, NOT the RWD enthusiasts.

FWD replaced RWD for valid /reasons/. Some of those reasons being better in *wintery* conditions. They also HAD to be pretty valid reasons when you look at the packaging problems involved with FWD vehicles.

So it's not really koolaid - except in your own mind.

Although, I do agree it's not as bad as people make it out to be and definitely is my preference. (Just not my wifes, LOL)

 

This post hit the nail directly on the head...

 

Again, a person absolutely can do without FWD/4x4, even up here. I'm not arguing that (you would know that if you read my entire post). But see what that truck is worth up here when you go to sell it. Better yet, find someone who actually wants it. Good luck!

Unless you have a farmer looking for a summer work truck or a kid who doesn't know any better, you will be very aquainted with that 4x2 truck.

It's not a matter of getting by in the winter, it's a matter of common long range business sense.

So much for that, Eric.

 

Russ,
I knew I'd start a battle, and I'm a-ok with that Just don't want to derail my own thread!!!

Eric,
I never said you CAN'T drive RWD. What I said was I (and many others) don't WANT TO. I drove my 135hp 2.8 Camaro with studded snows for 4 winters...it was fine, and I never got stuck. But my 200hp GP with normal snows is FAR BETTER. Case closed. Darth is right...once you are going, its fine. Try getting an F body to do a 90 degree right on an icy hill from a dead stop. This is the kind of thing I encounter quite often for a full 1/3 of the year! The Camaro with studs skiddered and screamed at 4k...the GP just goes up. Period.

falchulk,
Give me a break. Like I said, take the same TC system and the same tired and the same HP and throw them on a FWD and a RWD car and tell me which is better. BTW, high-powered FWD cars do great in snow as well...ask my best friend with his 295hp Eldorado Touring Coupe. He also owns an '00 Trans Am. He knows which car goes in snow, and which one we have to push back into his garage when there's anything over 3" on the ground.

I've driven RWD in snow for the first 4 years I had my license. I can do it, and studded snows were a phenomenal help. However, every winter at least once there's a road near my parents house. I'd start at the base of the hill at 30 MPH (going 30), pointing straight. By the top of the hill, the speedo said 45-50 while the car barely moved, and the car was now pointing 90 degrees to the right. The GP goes up the hill. No problem.

Sure, Stabili-Trak could help solve that problem. But you know what? It can only do so much before it will literally stall the car. Take your car with traction control, get it stuck in a snow bank, and floor it. If all the car will do is spin, the computer fights back so hard the engine dies. Where will your Stabili-Trak be then. Extreme case? Sure...but a lot of the rust belt encounters things like this. Band Aids are just that...band aids.

Sure, I can drive RWD in winter and not die a fiery death...I just don't want to anymore!!!!

 

Every year, at least once, there is a road by their house? You're shi**ing me!

 

Duh!

I get the feeling that no matter what, you are going to nix the idea....... so be it.

 

No... I'm really just wondering how specific you have to get before you'd be pleased.

You want Pontiac to have a RWD, LS2, M6 coupe.... but it has to be a G6 instead of a GTO?!

If the GTO has been blasted for anything, it's been that it looks too much like other Pontiacs.

How many RWD, LS2, M6 coupes should Pontiac have? Especially if weight is your main concern? Put comparable hardware on the G6 (if even possible) and it's probably gonna be darn close in weight to what the GTO is now.

I just don't understand your slam on Pontiac... they have a car that covers the EXACT area you are talking about, but you bash them for not having it.

 

Alright, smart a** Yeah, I read that after and was too lazy to fix it. I try to adhere to the grammar standards my high school and college professors supplied me with...sometimes I fail miserably. Ask me if I'm concerned

 

Having to drive in snow and ice all the time has to suck.

A general question: How much less will the coupe weigh than the sedan? I'm thinking how much of a performance difference there will be.

 

I would imagine a coupe vs sedan weight difference of somewhere between 40-100 lbs depending on the model... (assuming you mean coupe vs sedan of the same model (like G6 sedan vs G6 coupe with the same powertrain and equipment))

 

Heh, been there done that



Uh, back on topic, I was looking at the G6 coupe again today, and it does really look alot like a 350z from behind. It is not a very masculine looking car from the front either. I have had plenty of seat time in my friend's mom's G6 GT sedan, so I know what to expect from the inside already, and the coupe looks pretty much the same. Not a bad car I guess, I just wish there was a new rwd Grand Prix coming out, because they got so close to the right formula.

Would I ever buy a G6 GTP over a new Mustang GT. No......and this is coming from someone who hates the new Mustang. If only Pontiac could bring out a AWD G6 GXP 6 speed to bring alittle more excitement to that lineup, and give it a more masculine look (I know thats not gonna happen.)

 

I wasn't aware the 350Z had a feminine look to it?

 

Not from the rear it doesn't, and I didn't say the G6 looked girly from behind either. Its the front of the G6 that could use some machoing up.

 

Take it easy keyboard warrior. You're the one who didn't like what I posted. Not once did I bash Pontiac, those are your words and not mine. I simply stated something which you obviously didn't like. To put a fine point on it, the main reason I didn't buy the GTO was that the rear seat acessability is a joke. My son can climb in and out of the back seat in my f-body far easier than the GTO. Granted once you are in there the GTO has more room, but that power seat gizmo just to get in and out is a pain in the differential.

You have a GTO and are evidently very proud of it. It also seems that my opinion is not welcome by you so let's just simply agree that we disagree and move on.


Did I mention that the G6 coupe looks great?