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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:33 PM
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Oil and zinc

So I have been trying to get some info....and it seems the zinc is not really a big deal IMO ( but I may still use a little)

Can't find the EOS anywhere right now...but someone told me STP oil treatment has it in there. So I check it out and it does....zinc dialkydithiophosphate you can google it for more info

But I cam across this...seems like the most level grounded explanation, the zinc is just a buffer for metal to metal contact as a last resort.

Any opinions on this? I'm just going to run oil from carquest or napa brand 10-30 like everyone else I know

Zinc is contained as part of the standard additive package in virtually every major brand of engine oil sold today, varying from a low volume of 0.10 per cent in brands such as Valvoline All Climate and Chevron l5W-50, to a high volume of 0.20 percent in brands such as Valvoline Race and Pennzoil GT Performance.

Organic zinc compounds are used as extreme pressure, anti-wear additives, and are therefore found in larger amounts in oils specifically blended for high-revving, turbocharged or racing applications. The zinc in your oil comes into play only when there is actual metal-to-metal con tact within your engine, which should never occur under normal operating conditions. However, if you race your bike, or occasionally play tag with the redline on the tach, the zinc is your last line of defense. Under extreme conditions, the zinc compounds react with the metal to prevent scuffing, particularly between cylinder bores and piston rings.

However - and this is the important part to remember - available research shows that more zinc does not give you more protection, it merely prolongs the protection if the rate of metal-to-metal contact is abnormally high or extended. So unless you plan on spending a couple of hours dragging your knee at Laguna Seca, adding extra zinc compounds to your oil is usually a waste. Also, keep in mind that high zinc content can lead to deposit formation on your valves, and spark plug fouling.

Among the products we found containing zinc dialkyldithiophosphate were Mechanics Brand Engine Tune Up, K Mart Super Oil Treatment, and STP Engine Treatment With XEP2. The only reason we can easily identify the additives with the new zinc compounds is that they are required to carry a Federally mandated warning label indicating they contain a hazardous substance. The zinc phosphate they contain is a known eye irritant, capable of inflicting severe harm if it comes in contact with your eyes. If you insist on using one of these products, please wear protective goggles and exercise extreme caution.

As we mentioned, organic zinc compounds are already found in virtually every major brand of oil, both automotive and motorcycle. However, in recent years the oil companies voluntarily reduced the amount of zinc content in most of their products after research indicated the zinc was responsible for premature deterioration and damage to catalytic converters. Obviously this situation would not affect 99 percent of all the motorcycles on the road - however, it could have been a factor with the newer BMW converter - equipped bikes.

Since the reduction in zinc content was implemented solely for the protection of catalytic converters, it is possible that some motorcycles might benefit from a slight increase in zinc content in their oils. This has been taken into account by at least one oil company, Spectro, which offers 0.02 to 0.03 percent more zinc compounds in its motorcycle oils than in its automotive oils.

Since Spectro (Golden 4 brand, in this case) is a synthetic blend lubricant designed for extended drain intervals, this increase seems to be wholly justified. Also, available research indicates that Spectro has, in this case, achieved a sensible balance for extended application without increasing the zinc content to the point that it is likely to cause spark plug fouling or present a threat to converter-equipped BMW models. It would appear that someone at Spectro did their homework.
Old Dec 9, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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rottella t heavy duty still has it in there thats all my uncle will use in his vette
Old Dec 9, 2007 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 93v8clone
rottella t heavy duty still has it in there thats all my uncle will use in his vette
I have not found it in 10-30 around here...just 15-40
Old Dec 10, 2007 | 06:53 AM
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most "racing" oils have higher levels of zinc. There are some other differences also such as the detergents. Racing oils do not have the cleaners and detergents that a regular motor oil has. IMO A racing oil provides better protection but they will not hold up in your average street car. I would not put it in my Yukon.

I did quite a bit of reading when I was trying to chose an oil for my car. I read somewhere that the racing oils are also not good for street cars because of emissions. They tend to foul O2 sensors quicker and just cant keep the motor clean with 7000 mile oil changes...

IMO, if its a race motor run a race oil for protection. If its a street motor then run a standard oil.

I am running Lucas 10-30 synthetic racing oil in my car now. I wanted to run a 10-40 like my engine builder wanted but I cant find a 10-40 "racing" oil. Only Royal purple make a 10-40 and I will not run RP.

The racing oils are a few dollars more and end up costing a fortune. But i figure I have $15k in my motor, why skimp on oil.

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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 07:27 AM
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Brad Penn semi-synthetic FTW.

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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rskrause
Brad Penn semi-synthetic FTW.

Rich

http://www.amref.com/bp_product_pgs/BPengoils.htm
http://www.amref.com/bp_pb/7115_17_1...ng_Oils_PB.pdf

Rich hit the nail on the head.
Go here and order you some GOOD oil and check around your area and see if anybody will stock it for you.
The dealer here(70/80 miles) stocks it just for racers. He may not have it ALL the time but planning get's it ordered for ya.
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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Go to Big Lots and see if they have any CD-2 Street Legal Oil Boost. I heard on bitog (they refer to it as SLOB) that Big Lots had it for cheap a while back and I stocked up at 2 bucks a bottle. Loaded with ZDDP and it isn't thick like the STP. I add a bottle to the oil in my 71 to help protect the flat tappet cam.
Old Dec 24, 2007 | 12:45 PM
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FYI: Carquest oil is made by Valvoline.......
Old Jan 6, 2008 | 11:22 AM
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I have a good friend that distributes various blends to Union Pacific and other large consumers so he's pretty well versed. I'm told that the bearings in "most" marine applications do not respond well to zinc. Not sure what they're composed of that normal bearings are not.
Old Jan 8, 2008 | 02:14 PM
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http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...otor_Oils.aspx

Bottom of the second paragraph. Click on the TABLE.

You'll find Mobil 1 Extended Performance 15W-50 (racing oil).
Old Jan 17, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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when we have oil samples done by blacksone labs we have found that amsoil has higher levels of zinc on it.(25,000) mile oils. they said that is normal for high mileage oils. what is the purpose for the info. are you looking for better oils or additives.
Old Jan 18, 2008 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by byrons1502
when we have oil samples done by blacksone labs we have found that amsoil has higher levels of zinc on it.(25,000) mile oils. they said that is normal for high mileage oils. what is the purpose for the info. are you looking for better oils or additives.
The rumor mill has it that older engines, particularly those with flat tappit, solid lifter cams., could benefit from and increased in anti-wear additive. Can also be beneficial for break in, or other applications where higher wear may be a concern.
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