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Old May 22, 2006 | 06:53 PM
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compression question?

My buddy brought up a point and i just want to shed some light on it does rod length change your compression ratio?
Old May 22, 2006 | 06:58 PM
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Re: compression question?

If you changed the rod length without changing pistons then yes, it would. But that is not really possible unless the rod lengths are very close to one another.
Old May 22, 2006 | 08:50 PM
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Re: compression question?

Originally Posted by jerminator96
If you changed the rod length without changing pistons then yes, it would. But that is not really possible unless the rod lengths are very close to one another.
IOW, no. It will change the DCR, but only ever so slightly.

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Old May 24, 2006 | 04:34 PM
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Doesn't it matter if the pin bore is moved up on the piston? I would think that the piston for a 6" rod is different than a piston for a 5.7" rod, otherwise they would not list a different part# piston for each rod length. It does change the piston dwell at the top, which is what produces more power. Incidentally, depending on the application, a 5.7 rod is better than a 6" rod for short track use. At least, that is the experience from the local builders.
Old May 24, 2006 | 07:00 PM
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Re: compression question?

Originally Posted by String
Doesn't it matter if the pin bore is moved up on the piston? I would think that the piston for a 6" rod is different than a piston for a 5.7" rod, otherwise they would not list a different part# piston for each rod length. It does change the piston dwell at the top, which is what produces more power. Incidentally, depending on the application, a 5.7 rod is better than a 6" rod for short track use. At least, that is the experience from the local builders.

There is NOT a nickle's worth of difference in either. Ya can't see it on the dyno or feel it at the track.
A rod is a good thing to connect the piston to the crank.

There is some advantage when using rod length to influence the intake port,that's a whole 'nuther book.
Old May 24, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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yea use longer rods if you have issues with the piston skirt hitting the crank counterweights, lol. the main thing is the piston still goes up and down your crankshaft's stroke and the rod doesnt affect that.
Old May 25, 2006 | 05:35 PM
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Re: compression question?

Thanks gusy so it really has little affect on compression
Old May 25, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyPappis
Thanks gusy so it really has little affect on compression
None at all.

If ya use 5.7" ya have to get the crank with smaller weights to clear the pistons.
Old May 25, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mgray
Would someone please explain to me how three-tenths of an inch makes no change in compression with the same piston?

The compression height of a piston is resultant of the desired compression ratio, quench or squish, deck height, stroke, and rod length. A piston designed for a 5.7" rod will not work on a 6.0" rod, all else being equal.

Mike
Nobody is assuming you would use the same piston with a 6" that was designed for a 5.7" rod, or vice versa. It appears that the person in the original post is confused and thought that there would be a difference in CR between a 5.7" rod+appropriate piston and a 6" rod with the corresponding slug.
Old May 25, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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Just for purposes of illustration, ignoring mechanical interference.

CR with zero deck, flat tops = 12.5:1
CR with -0.3" deck = 6.77:1 (piston for 6" rod on a 5.7" rod)
CR with +0.3" deck (piston for 6" rod on a 5.7" rod = infinite?)

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Old May 26, 2006 | 01:54 PM
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Re: compression question?

Originally Posted by mgray
Are you aware that you use a different piston when you change rod length to adjust for the increase or decrease, thus preserving the static compression ratio?

I rember that being brought up.....well anyways thanks alot guys i let him know whats up
Old May 27, 2006 | 02:30 PM
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There is NOT a nickle's worth of difference in either. Ya can't see it on the dyno or feel it at the track.
A rod is a good thing to connect the piston to the crank.
This maybe so, but it does show in lap times. Apparently the shorter rod will accelerate faster than the longer rod. I have not verified this, but it is almost unanimous at the local tracks.
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