Calculating maximum hp
Re: Calculating maximum hp
Originally posted by Socrates
What is the equation to calculate an engines maximum theoretical power asuming you know the displacement, air flow and volumetric efficiency?
What is the equation to calculate an engines maximum theoretical power asuming you know the displacement, air flow and volumetric efficiency?
Here's a recent post that might help:
Originally posted by AdioSS
I think I was asking for a way to figure out the max potential horsepower just from looking at how much air the heads can flow.
I think I was asking for a way to figure out the max potential horsepower just from looking at how much air the heads can flow.
Assume everything like exhaust is optimum, which is a challenge:
You need, for a 10:1 350 cube SBC:
1) head flow at full intake lift value at 25 in H2O. If you have 28 in. H2O numbers, multiply 28 in numbers by .89286.
Multiply that number by 2.05 for hydraulic roller, or 2.1 for a solid roller.
If you have a 400, multiply again by 1.1 or .95 for a 327 or .9 for a 302.
For 11:1 multiply by 1.07
Example 1: 230 cfm (at 28 in H2O) x .89286 x 2.1 x 1.07= 461 hp at the flywheel.
Example 2: 290 cfm x .89286 x 2.05 x 1.05 (my guess for a 383) = 557 hp at the flywheel.
Remember, this is with everything spot on.
Re: Re: Calculating maximum hp
Originally posted by OldSStroker
How would you know the VE? There are a few engine simulation programs that could do what you ask. Remember, GIGO applies.
Here's a recent post that might help:
Courtesy of David Vizard and Superflow:
Assume everything like exhaust is optimum, which is a challenge:
You need, for a 10:1 350 cube SBC:
1) head flow at full intake lift value at 25 in H2O. If you have 28 in. H2O numbers, multiply 28 in numbers by .89286.
Multiply that number by 2.05 for hydraulic roller, or 2.1 for a solid roller.
If you have a 400, multiply again by 1.1 or .95 for a 327 or .9 for a 302.
For 11:1 multiply by 1.07
Example 1: 230 cfm (at 28 in H2O) x .89286 x 2.1 x 1.07= 461 hp at the flywheel.
Example 2: 290 cfm x .89286 x 2.05 x 1.05 (my guess for a 383) = 557 hp at the flywheel.
Remember, this is with everything spot on.
How would you know the VE? There are a few engine simulation programs that could do what you ask. Remember, GIGO applies.
Here's a recent post that might help:
Courtesy of David Vizard and Superflow:
Assume everything like exhaust is optimum, which is a challenge:
You need, for a 10:1 350 cube SBC:
1) head flow at full intake lift value at 25 in H2O. If you have 28 in. H2O numbers, multiply 28 in numbers by .89286.
Multiply that number by 2.05 for hydraulic roller, or 2.1 for a solid roller.
If you have a 400, multiply again by 1.1 or .95 for a 327 or .9 for a 302.
For 11:1 multiply by 1.07
Example 1: 230 cfm (at 28 in H2O) x .89286 x 2.1 x 1.07= 461 hp at the flywheel.
Example 2: 290 cfm x .89286 x 2.05 x 1.05 (my guess for a 383) = 557 hp at the flywheel.
Remember, this is with everything spot on.
Later
Chuck
Originally posted by OldSStroker
How would you know the VE? There are a few engine simulation programs that could do what you ask. Remember, GIGO applies.
How would you know the VE? There are a few engine simulation programs that could do what you ask. Remember, GIGO applies.
Originally posted by OldSStroker
Assume everything like exhaust is optimum, which is a challenge:
You need, for a 10:1 350 cube SBC:
1) head flow at full intake lift value at 25 in H2O. If you have 28 in. H2O numbers, multiply 28 in numbers by .89286.
Assume everything like exhaust is optimum, which is a challenge:
You need, for a 10:1 350 cube SBC:
1) head flow at full intake lift value at 25 in H2O. If you have 28 in. H2O numbers, multiply 28 in numbers by .89286.
Originally posted by OldSStroker
Multiply that number by 2.05 for hydraulic roller, or 2.1 for a solid roller.
If you have a 400, multiply again by 1.1 or .95 for a 327 or .9 for a 302.
Multiply that number by 2.05 for hydraulic roller, or 2.1 for a solid roller.
If you have a 400, multiply again by 1.1 or .95 for a 327 or .9 for a 302.
Do you have a list of more constants for other displacement?
Originally posted by OldSStroker
For 11:1 multiply by 1.07
For 11:1 multiply by 1.07
Originally posted by OldSStroker
Remember, this is with everything spot on.
Remember, this is with everything spot on.
Thanks a lot for your help I found this very useful
Originally posted by Stephen 87 IROC
Estimated hp based on CFM
HP = .2575 x CFM (@ 28" or water) x number of cylinders
Estimated hp based on CFM
HP = .2575 x CFM (@ 28" or water) x number of cylinders
I'm guessing this result is a very optimistic, assuming you have a perfect exhaust typically how close is it to the real world
An engine is just a vacuum pump. When the piston moves down pulling in the air/fuel mixture, the restriction is still the heads/valves. Theoretically the same heads, cam, valves, intake, carb, compression ratio, etc on a 350 will produce the same amount of HP as a 400. The difference is the amount of torque that the engine will produce (which is what a dyno measures) and where in the rpm range the power is produced.
To make more HP you need to burn more air/fuel. That's why power adders such as turbo's, blowers or NOS work the way they do. They all do the same thing by increasing the amount of air that gets put into the cylinders. By increasing the amount of air you can also increase the amount of fuel which will produce more power.
NA engines need to rely on the engine's ability to draw in that air/fuel mixture from head flow and cam profiles.
To make more HP you need to burn more air/fuel. That's why power adders such as turbo's, blowers or NOS work the way they do. They all do the same thing by increasing the amount of air that gets put into the cylinders. By increasing the amount of air you can also increase the amount of fuel which will produce more power.
NA engines need to rely on the engine's ability to draw in that air/fuel mixture from head flow and cam profiles.
Last edited by Stephen 87 IROC; Jan 24, 2004 at 12:55 AM.
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