Air distribuiton in LT1 intake
Originally posted by squinn
I really don't think the air distribution is as bad as everyone makes it out to be, from what I've seen on the engine dyno. I did some testing with a ported LT1 intake, there was less .5 in. of vac. at wot. On the EGT's I had seen a differences of 125 deg from hottest to coldest, that's not all that bad.
I really don't think the air distribution is as bad as everyone makes it out to be, from what I've seen on the engine dyno. I did some testing with a ported LT1 intake, there was less .5 in. of vac. at wot. On the EGT's I had seen a differences of 125 deg from hottest to coldest, that's not all that bad.
Originally posted by WS6 TA
OldSStroker, I would think that whether you believe that the runners are long enough to tune is not really an issue here, since if anything, short runners would act as more of an extension of the plenum and lessen this effect as well as being generally less sensitive to any pressure pulses or anything else that would mess with air distribution. BTW, I used to like chocolate milk…
OldSStroker, I would think that whether you believe that the runners are long enough to tune is not really an issue here, since if anything, short runners would act as more of an extension of the plenum and lessen this effect as well as being generally less sensitive to any pressure pulses or anything else that would mess with air distribution. BTW, I used to like chocolate milk…
The single plane manifold used (Super Victor) was chosen for it's approximately 5-6 in runner lengths. Shorter runners (4-5 inches) couldn't be made to tune in the 2500-6500 range this engine was designed for. LT1 length (3 inches or so) seemed even worse.
IMO, resonance tuning length doesn't really change much from wet flow (carbureted) to dry/mixed flow (LT1, LS1) where fuel is injected prior to the inlet valve. Maybe it does. Any input?
If we are going for more power on an NA LT1, I think inlet tuning is very important.
I just don't have a good solution in mind as to how to economically modify an LT1 for longer runners and still fit under the hood. IMO, GM had the same problem when the LT1 was designed to fit the Corvette; they sacrificed some tuning. Remember this was the follow-on to the Tuned Port long runners which were probably designed for low/mid range torque on 305 CID, and were two small and too long for higher rpm larger displacement engines.
My highly opinionated $.02.
From what I saw with the tuning of my engine (by others
), the air distribution isn't all that bad - but that is the LT4 intake, with internal mod's by CNC Cylinder Heads. Even with the ability to trim individual cylinder fuel rates, it wasn't necessary in the intended peformance range (5,000-7,200rpm). Again, this is a fairly mild cam application, so maybe that reduces the problems. But even when adding a 300-shot of dry nitrous at the outlet of a WS6 airbox showed absolutely no measurable maldistribution. It wasn't necessary to do anything with the individual injector flows to compensate for maldistribution. That tells me the problem may not be as bad as Trey's initial post would have us believe.
As far as spraying nitrous through the back of the intake, where it would not have the benefit of turbulent (velocity through the TB) mixing with the incoming air, it would seem to be ripe for disaster. We looked at a conventional "plate" behind the TB for dry nitrous addition, and it was terrible.... huge maldistribution of nitrous to the eight cylinders.
), the air distribution isn't all that bad - but that is the LT4 intake, with internal mod's by CNC Cylinder Heads. Even with the ability to trim individual cylinder fuel rates, it wasn't necessary in the intended peformance range (5,000-7,200rpm). Again, this is a fairly mild cam application, so maybe that reduces the problems. But even when adding a 300-shot of dry nitrous at the outlet of a WS6 airbox showed absolutely no measurable maldistribution. It wasn't necessary to do anything with the individual injector flows to compensate for maldistribution. That tells me the problem may not be as bad as Trey's initial post would have us believe.As far as spraying nitrous through the back of the intake, where it would not have the benefit of turbulent (velocity through the TB) mixing with the incoming air, it would seem to be ripe for disaster. We looked at a conventional "plate" behind the TB for dry nitrous addition, and it was terrible.... huge maldistribution of nitrous to the eight cylinders.
From what I saw with the tuning of my engine (by others ), the air distribution isn't all that bad
I really don't think the air distribution is as bad as everyone makes it out to be
Mr. Horsepower, can you define “fixed port?” From your description it sounds like you’re suggesting that the issue is that on an SBC you’ve got intake runners that basically follow 2 patterns, and the difference is what causes the difference in flow. Seems to me that that would split the distribution in a 4 and 4 pattern (4 turning left or rear, and 4 doing the opposite) which it does not appear to be. (BTW, as far as I know the superram isn’t made at all anymore, but the LT1 version was discontinued early on because no one was really interested)
The issue here is helped with an increase in plenum volume. Especially true of wet-manifolds but still good practice in dry manifolds. You'll see this approach was taken in the LS6 intake's development. And Fred is right in his assumption, the problems only get worse with larger camshafts (greater overlap periods).
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If I was going to build another naturally aspirated LT1, I would try the TPIS miniram. Same basic design as the LTx manifold, but instead of straight/twisted runners it has drastically tapered runners (the top of the port at the plenum is much larger than where the port meets the head).
I do think the LTx manifold works very well though. My 383 made 453rwhp 416rwtq with ported production LT1 heads and intake. I think 500rwhp out of a solid roller stroker with ported production LT4 heads/intake should be attainable (even with the stock PCM and it's 7k limit).
I do think the LTx manifold works very well though. My 383 made 453rwhp 416rwtq with ported production LT1 heads and intake. I think 500rwhp out of a solid roller stroker with ported production LT4 heads/intake should be attainable (even with the stock PCM and it's 7k limit).
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