it would be fine IF they make it as strong as the mustangs IRS. but I bet axle's would be just as expensive as a 9" is on the 4 gen's.


and what the hell is an "LRA"? dont you mean SRA as in solid rear axle?

 

Live Rear Axle

 

i would rather have that than IRS

 

oh, Never heard of it called that.

 

i think irs is geared more towards twistys it would be nice to offer soild and irs but it wont happon and thats the downfall imo. the camaro was the drag car and the vette was the road race car i always thought. not anymore tho i guess.

 

the camaro has always handled well, not really a drag car. the vette is just a true sports car where the camaro is the more affordable 2+2.

 

It's more complicated than an either/or proposition: Figure cost, weight, complexity, development costs, buyer perception

it's nice that GM is moving into the 1970's finally. I like the idea of IRS, as long as they don't scrimp on it, and build it correctly, and strong enough, the first time. This being GM we are talking about, the chances are pretty slim.....

Plenty of manufacturers are building IRS rear-wheel drive cars, but they are typically pretty pricey- Porche, Ferrari, Mercedes,- If GM can't build this at reasonable cost, it won't sell many of them, and that is not how the game is supposed to be played. They need to spend the money up front to build it strong, tuned right to handle and be durable. Anything less is just going to be another nail in the coffin.

 

i think ALL RWD cars are IRS now, except the Mustang. its going to be a tough price point to meet with the level of performance you guys are expecting. off the top of my head the cheapest IRS cars were the Cobra, GTO, Charger/Magnum/300C, S2000, RX8 and Miata. You guys want more performance than an 03/04 Cobra ($35-38k new in 03/04), while weighing less, in a new car with a new platform (with better crash/mileage/quality/warranty/smog standards) at a substantially cheaper price (a price CLOSER to the GT Miata). tough crowd.

 

i want my axel like i like my women, cheap, light weight, and can take the abuse... lol if they can make an IRS that can compete with SRA in all catagories than bring it on, if not then id rather have the SRA

 

Yeah, you're right- we want it all- extreme performance at a price that is inexpensive enough so that GM can sell them by the tens of thousands. Could start a new surge in excitement, where all the enthusiast's magazines are raving about the "new Camaro" Might wake up the General's bottom line. Remember, this is a company that kills off car models if they sell 'only' 60,000 or 70,000 units a year.

I feel the same way as some of the others- I don't care as much about IRS as I do about strong, reliable performance at a cheap price, something that Chevy used to be good at. The IRS sounds nice in theory, but if it adds a couple thousand to the bottom line of the car, that is two grand that I won't be spending on upgraded wheels, or performance exhaust, whatever.

Do it right, and for the right price- is that too much for GM to understand?

 

did GM not do it right with the 4th Gen fbody? what didnt they do right? list off what they didnt do right, and write down how much more you're willing to pay for them to have done it "right?"

 

thats easy. 7.5" ten bolt. $1000 for upgraded 8.5" 10 bolt would seem like a very reasonable price to pay for the 8.5" they used in the second gen (and alot of new trucks to present)

optional low performance 8 cyl. to cut cost on ins. premiums for people who either dont need the fastest car around, but want a v8, AND more importantly for the people who will build the car enough to just replace/sell the orig. small v8. example, my 81 formula. it had a 305 chevy, how easy was it to swap in the big block I had in the car? and still only paid the ins. company for a "small" v8.

alot of people couldnt afford a 4gen TA or formula due to ins. doubleling what the car payment was a month. v6 to v8 swaps are possible, but totally out of the question for most for many years due to the cost/complexity of the swap.

as for the price willing to pay, make it -$1000, and +$1000 for all the big cube Z28's. say, 5.3 vs 6.3 so the 6.3 would be $2K option. but STILL AVAILABLE for those who DO want to pay for it.

look at the GTO's, no options, no flexability, no unigue'ness (is that a word?) all the same, diff. colors and T56 or auto. oh, cool hood, or no cool hood.

 

You call that hobbled up rear end strong????????????? Things in Fbody land must have been worse than I thought when it came to weak sauce rear ends.

 

or everything for drag racing, the IRS is great. there are some softy issues, but our calibrated, urethane bushings handles this quite well.

Drag racing is still OK. Lots of G8 guys, however, are experiencing wheel hop. There is just too much softness back there. All drag racers absolutely at a minimum, replace the rear differential mounting bushings and the rear cradle mount insert bushings. This alone will reduce wheel hop, and excess looseness a serious amount.

With the exception of the coil over height, the rear Camaro is basically identical to the G8. We have lots of experience with this.

I am really looking forward to the Camaro and what we can do with it

mike
dms

 

it should come with a 12 bolt as a base and have the IRS as an option for the $1000 or whatever it costs more than putting a live axle in there. it just kinda sucks to buy a car and have to take stuff out rather than put stuff in. at least give those who want the cheaper live axle the option of saving that money and getting what they want.

the challenger doesnt offer cloth seats, manual windows and locks, and a low end stereo with the V8. some people dont want those expensive and heavy options, give us a blank sheet of paper and let us decide what we want to spend the more money on to put in.

i was at hte detroit autoshow last night and all 2 of the camaros had 20s and 1 had 21s. some people like that look, but i dont want or need those big expensive rims that require very expensive tires. give us the option of something smaller like 17s or 18s, stop forcing the consumer to pay a ton of money for something they would leave out if it would save them some money. GM needs all the customers it can get right now, and getting those few who want a stripper version should be seen as an opportunity to make money, bceause it is easy for them to roll one off the factory floor without putting all those extras in it.