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V10 in a Camaro

Old Nov 2, 2006 | 07:28 AM
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Would anyone care to explain why a V10 does not sound as good as a V8? I've never heard a V10, other than a co-workers F250, and I know that is not set up to draw attention to its sound. Bare with me for a second...

Sound in a:
4 cylinder < 6 cylinder < 8 cylinder...right? Why doesn't a V10 sound better than a V8?
Old Nov 2, 2006 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by landstuhltaylor
which is why i showed a pic of the 2005 ferrari, which still used v10s. the only teams that still use them are squadro torro rosso (sp) because of a concession made to assist the minardi team.
Ahh. Didnt pick up on it being a 2005. They look as different as Harley Davidsons and penguins to me.
Old Nov 2, 2006 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by kayosthery
Would anyone care to explain why a V10 does not sound as good as a V8?
You're right of course. It's pretty asinine for anyone to suggest that exhaust note is the primary reason not to put a V10 in a Camaro.

However it still is a stupid suggestion. The pinnacle GM product is Corvette and the ‘Vette doesn't need or warrant a V10. Therefore the Camaro doesn't need one either.

Then there is the whole “it doesn’t fit Camaro’s image or heritage” angle of which I agree 100%.

The bottom line is this is a dumb idea and I just wasted another minute of my life responding to yet another worthless thread on the Internet.

Old Nov 2, 2006 | 10:52 AM
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Yeah, and what a waste it was, because you didn't even answer my question.

I don't care about putting a V10 in a Camaro. I'm happy with the high-end V8. I was asking a serious question. Is there a mechanical reason why everyone here is saying that a V8 sounds better than a V10, or is this a completely subjective position?
Old Nov 2, 2006 | 11:19 AM
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It is subjective, and most people's reference for a performance v10 seems to be the Viper, which is notorious for not sounding that great, so people just assume all v10s sound like crap. They don't.
Old Nov 2, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by casull
True

They already have a 7L V-8 that puts out about the same power as other V-10s. A V-10 would be pointless IMHO.
My thoughts exactly.
Old Nov 2, 2006 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by kayosthery
Would anyone care to explain why a V10 does not sound as good as a V8? I've never heard a V10, other than a co-workers F250, and I know that is not set up to draw attention to its sound. Bare with me for a second...

Sound in a:
4 cylinder < 6 cylinder < 8 cylinder...right? Why doesn't a V10 sound better than a V8?
Firing order.
V8 (cross plane anyway) has two sequential cylinders that fire on the same side that give you the burble and they fire evenly spaced.
1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3 for the LS1

The Viper V10 fires at 90 and 54 degree intervals and fires left than right bank each time.
1-10-9-4-3-6-5-8-7-2

That's some of the engine part of the sound difference anyway. Exhaust valve diameters and opening and closing points supposedly matter too.

Last edited by HAZ-Matt; Nov 2, 2006 at 04:44 PM.
Old Nov 2, 2006 | 08:31 PM
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Now we're getting somewhere.... Thanks.
Old Nov 2, 2006 | 09:55 PM
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If I remember right (from an article in GMHTP a while back), there are a couple different ways of building a v10. The first way is easier/cheaper to make, but the firing order (or degrees between cylinders firing) is really screwy. The other way, you have even distance between firings, but it costs more to make.

I think the biggest difference is how the crank is made. I think the Viper v10 and most truck v10s (the viper v10 is a derivative of the Ram v10) are made the first way. Other v10s, such as the one found in the Lambo and Porsche Carrera GT are made the better, but more expensive way. They thus sound better as the firing sequence is even across the board.

Hoever, I think that v12s sound the best and are super smooth as well. You can have massive hp and not upset grandma .
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Red89GTA
Other v10s, such as the one found in the Lambo and Porsche Carrera GT are made the better, but more expensive way. They thus sound better as the firing sequence is even across the board.
The Carrera GT has a V10 now?
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
The Carrera GT has a V10 now?

Now? It always has.
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
The Carrera GT has a V10 now?
Yeah, I think JG95z28 might be reffering to the 911 Carrera. Honest mistake. The Carrera GT is Porsches mid-engined super car, and I could see how the name could confuse someone. Ive also met people who have mistaken the Ford GT for the Mustang GT in a conversation.
Old Nov 3, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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viper v10

I know that at least some years the Viper had side exhaust with no x pipe so the exhaust on each side sounded like a really awkward I5.
Old Nov 4, 2006 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 1987IROC350
Do you think it could happen? Would you want to see this as an option?
IMHO this poll is pretty ridiculous & I decided to not even to participate in it.

You KNOW things are really, really, really boring when threads like this start up.

Next poll????........
"Should Camaro have a Cummings diesel option, off road mud tires, and be based on the Hummer H3." .....

Vote NOW!

(FWIW: Despite the subject, the tread has evolved into some more intresting talk. )
Old Nov 5, 2006 | 03:05 PM
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We can get a diesle now???

















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