Ditto that. The V6 opened my eyes that satisfying performance doesn't have to come in 8 cylinders. My thoughts on which Camaro I'm considering buying were drastically altered after driving the V6.

 

A potential daily driver?
With things going the way they are now I need 30+ mpg on cheap gas.

:fingerscrossed:

 

My thoughts exactly.

I will still lean to the V8 (just what I like) but the V6 won't have that "just a V6" connotation any longer.

 

A strong running v6 would make a great starting point for someone looking for a forced induction 5th gen.

 

im guessing the weight of the v6 model will be closer to 3600 lbs and the mid level z28 at 3800 lbs and the top of the line SS at 3900 lbs or so.

 

The 300hp V6 will definitley have its place, but being a little more hard core, 300hp would need to be just a starting point.
Especially after hearing that chromed out, 454ci rat I just finished stuffing into a '72 Nova SS-clone, fire up, through those headers and 2 1/2" Flowmasters!
(Wish it was mine, but it's for a friend..)
I want to feel the exhaust note...
(Plus, I don't want my buddy's to come up and hit their palm into my forehead and say, "oops, you coulda had a V8!"..)

 

Show me the data that supports your point.

You can't -- (a post on this site does not count -- it isn't scientific...)

You seem to forget the insurance issue -- and if you price a V6 versus a V8 -- the V8 gets a penalty everytime. (sometimes enough to make your teeth hurt!)

Here's something to think about:

If we market this car as a Muscle car -- we will sell 40-50K a year over its lifecycle.

We can't afford to do that.

Suffice to say that we must appeal to a wider audience while still blowing away the competition in many areas -- performance being one -- ride and handling being another -- high tech features being another.......and we MUST do this while never alienating our Enthusiast base. (thus, the reason for our disciples -- )

(by the way -- how many other car companies do what we just did with a group of enthusiasts???)

How 'bout sitting back and understanding that there JUST MAY be some people on the team (including the Disciples) that know more about this car than you do?

(sorry -- that may sound harsh -- but you've been posting some barbs lately....)

 

This is a silly thread. There's no replacement for displacement, and I wouldn't buy a car just because it looks nice.

I'm not saying there's not a place for a V6. And I'm not saying people won't buy a ton of them. I'm just keeping it real.

 

My LT1 didn't come with that much power(compared with what you guys are speculating) when I bought it, but it sure got my rocks off everytime I got into it.

All this talk of a nice V6 has caused me to think for a minute or two that owning a V6 5th Gen wouldn't be the end of the world by ANY means. That is not something I am used to thinking.

 

oh, and I'll take a new good looking V6 that runs sub 15's over some 1975 150hp smog restricted 350ci engine that would be lucky to crack into the 19's in the 1/4 mile.

You my friend can keep your ugly slow cars and leave the cool new camaro's that look nice AND scoot very well with their "displacement challenged powerplants"

Thats just my take on "keeping it real"

 

You know FBodFather is right. I'm like one of those people he's talking about. V8 maybe very expensive to maintain as well as the insurance rate. I'm so aiming for the V6 and if it has 300HP, I will be the happiest person in the WORLD. BTW, ill be paying for the car and i go to school, so gas cost has to be considered. Hopefully in the future, V8's are around for me to purchase and REALLY ENJOY. From what i am hearing from the focus group, i am very excited about the V6. I hope it has a RS model with the cool decal

 

And I'll take a new good looking V8 over both of them. 1975 has nothing to do with the discussion. THAT'S keeping it real.

 

Sure you guys know more about the 5th Gen than me and I understand the insurance stuff, but my position remains the same on the low-powered V8 vs. high powered V6 issue. (providing they had a similar price and MPG) Have u seen the data that shows 50% or more M*stang buyers are choosing the base V8 GT over the V6?! Or the ones where people are lining up in droves for HEMI Challengers with the worst gas prices in history and one of its's lousiest economies ever overall?

My concern is, no matter how much power you guys give that V6, it's still gonna be looked at as "only" a V6. Maybe you never owned V6 Camaro. I did, it was my first car (still have it, woah!) and I can tell you from experience that the V6's in cars like this are just not looked at the same as a V8 car, by default, and it can be aggravating. The thing is though, today you guys (GM in particular) can get similar performance out of a small V8 MPG-wise. I'm not saying you guys won't have a winner with the top V6, I'm just saying I feel you could have a bigger winner with an economic "base V8 RS" style of car as other Gens had, except the 4th, which suffered from not having a car like that in the lineup. There will be many entry level buyers that still want a V8 of some kind and won't have that option, once again.

 

I think what our Fbodfather is trying to say is that GM has focused it's efforts on the V6 Camaro as it did in the past generations with the V8 models. So to broaden the appeal of the Camaro as more than just a V8 sport coupe with an afterthough V6 option. The plan is to make the base model V6 Camaro just as appealing to the enthusiast it is to an casual consumer. This is by no means a replacement to the V8 SS or Z28. But as a way to give the customer a great car worthy of the Camaro name and heritage but also gives the option to better on gas mileage and is cheaper to insure.
For those of us who want the V8 we'll still get that but now our car will be a more profitable platform and a true asset to GM in the CAFE world ahead.

 

No I wasn't.

I meant to say 6 speed.


Because it's hard to even give V8s away nowadays. Say the "V8" to the public today, and their likely to turn their backs.

The only V8 takers today are ONLY enthusiasts. V6 engines are even taking up a larger portion of Mustang sales.


1. You're easily 100 pounds too heavy.
2. SS is likely to be the V8 model.
3. I suspect your guess on the "Super Camaro" is probally pretty close, though.



Not saying there's not a place for a V6?
Not saying people won't buy a ton of them?
No replacement for displacement?
Silly thread?

Silly post you made there.
I have no idea what your point is.

Just keeping it real.

Again, I'm not sure you are even tuned into the same conversation we're having here.

We're talking about a V6 Camaro that probally outperforms an LT1, and comes pretty close to acceleration of an LS1, and might actually beat it over a challenging road course.

We're also talikng about a V6 Camaro that's going to be cheaper to insure than a V8, will get better gas mileage than most of the high performance four cylinder imports, let alone most import V6s.





You haven't seen Hemi sales figures from the last 6 months, have you?

Not sure what planet you're from, but V6 cars aren't looked at as "only" a V6 today outside of the shrinking circle of V8 enthusiasts.

You need to take less time shooting the messenger, take a look at real sales (instead of personal opinion) and realize that not only are V6s are the top power in virturally everything, but that as of recently, more new cars have 4 cylinder engines than any other powerplant, even V6s.

Again, there seems to be a total disconnect with your view here and what is actually going on in real life on the real market. V8 engines simply aren't wanted by anyone but traditional American muscle car fans. Better sit down for this, but: You simply aren't going to sell a small V8 to a regular customer, no matter how good the mileage is in today's market.

You don't need the 5th gen's team's access to data and surveys. You just need to pull up monthly vehicle sales figures and take a look.