The new Camaro V6 might be the best model of the entire lineup!
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Which of the Disciples actually said it was a 5-speed??? I missed that in the posts from this weekend's activities.
Either way, I think they would be hesitant to challenge the assumption in this thread because arguing OR confirming would be in violation of their non-disclosure agreement. I doubt Scott or other GM insiders will/should comment on this because, once again, we are dealing with competitive issues for the development of the Mustang, etc.
Either way, I think they would be hesitant to challenge the assumption in this thread because arguing OR confirming would be in violation of their non-disclosure agreement. I doubt Scott or other GM insiders will/should comment on this because, once again, we are dealing with competitive issues for the development of the Mustang, etc.
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Not necessarily. You forget that vast numbers of people don't take the time to do much research on the topic when looking at a car. To them, sixes are always more fuel efficient than eights. Doesn't matter what the EPA numbers say.
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Are we to be suprised by this?
I have said the V6 was going to be the most important car from the start. This was a lesson learn from Ford on the Mustang. The V6 Mustang is the largest seller and the most popular with the Females who buy a great number of Mustangs.
Now GM is going to do at least 300 HP with a V6 not only will appeal to the Female demo but also to many males exspecially in light of the present gas prices.
GM s also has backed this up with many statments for a good while now.
So anyone being suprised by the perfromance or the attention GM has put on the V6 making it into a great car vs just a standard entry level should not be suprised many here already knew what to expect.
This combo has been looking us square in the eyes for at least 2 + years and the concept was known even longer.
I have said the V6 was going to be the most important car from the start. This was a lesson learn from Ford on the Mustang. The V6 Mustang is the largest seller and the most popular with the Females who buy a great number of Mustangs.
Now GM is going to do at least 300 HP with a V6 not only will appeal to the Female demo but also to many males exspecially in light of the present gas prices.
GM s also has backed this up with many statments for a good while now.
So anyone being suprised by the perfromance or the attention GM has put on the V6 making it into a great car vs just a standard entry level should not be suprised many here already knew what to expect.
This combo has been looking us square in the eyes for at least 2 + years and the concept was known even longer.
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I gotta say even though I was looking to get a V8 5th gen, the V6 model is looking better and better. I can be happy with 300+hp 5spd or 6spd Camaro. Plus with the addtional weight savings, even better. The package certainly sounds like an extremely fun car to drive 
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if i can get a manual trans, it's got a nice "bark" to it, and the motor makes ~320 horse or so, and gets better mileage, and it weighs in less than the V-8 and is available with a sport-worthy suspension/brake package, I'd take the V-6 any day. You can always add more power.
If I could get a mustang-weight 300+ horsepower camaro, I'd snap that up so fast you wouldn't know what happened. I hope that kind of weight figure (35xx) is not out of the question for a hi-po V-6 version...
If I could get a mustang-weight 300+ horsepower camaro, I'd snap that up so fast you wouldn't know what happened. I hope that kind of weight figure (35xx) is not out of the question for a hi-po V-6 version...
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....and here's why:
The LY7 3.6 V6 version of the Pontiac G8 weighs 3885 pounds, has a 256 horsepower, and 252 lbs/ft of torque. It runs 7 seconds to 60 and the quarter in the low 15s at just over 90 mph, and gets 17/25 mpg according to the EPA.
The LLT 3.6 direct injection V6 produces just over 300 hp, 272 ft/lbs of torque. In the Cadillac CTS, the vehicle weight is 3874. It does 0-60 in about 6.3 seconds and the quarter in just under 15 seconds at 95 mph. It gets 17/26 mpg.
The new Camaro will likely be roughly a similar weight as the Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTO.
While the V8 versions weighed in around 3700 pounds, the Monaro CV6 had a supercharged 3.8 V6 engine, and had a curb weight of just over 3500 pounds. It had just 229 hp and 277 ft/lbs of torque. It ran 0-100K (0-62 mph) in the mid 6 second range. It came only with an automatic.
It's not a far jump to see why the V6 5 speed Camaro apparently stole the show with the focus group currently checking out preproduction 5th gens.
With nothing more than the regular V6, with 3500 pounds and the right gearing, a V6 Camaro would be a blast to drive. With over 300 pounds under the G8, it's not unreasonable for a manual Camaro to reach 60 in 6 seconds flat and possibly less with the quarter in the upper 90s.
But that's not even the top V6.
The 3.6 direct injected V6 would absolutely scream in the new Camaro.
It has over 25 more horsepower than the LT1 Camaro did. In a 5th gen, it would weigh roughly as much as the 4th gen LT1 did. Again, with the right gearing, it would make up the torque difference between the two.
In short, if Camaro ends up with the DI V6 (not even considering a possible increase in horsepower between now and next year), a 6 speed manual with good gearing, an agressive rear axle ratio, and comes in at the CV6's 3500 pounds, we should have a V6 Camaro that will roughly split the difference between the LT1 and LS1 Camaro in performance!
To top it off, the 17/26 mpg fuel economy of a DI Camaro is idenical to the 4 liter base Mustang with nowhere near the same power (the GT is rated at 15/23).
Even more impressive, this performance is available at better fuel economy than the current Evo (16/22), Eclipse V6 (16/25), VW R32 (18/23), Nisan 350Z (18/25), and matches the G37 coupe (17/26).
Even the Accord coupe (17/25) comes up short next to a 300+ hp DI V6 Camaro.
Forget about someone's arbitrary weight number. Perish the though about the new Camaro being a gas guzzling pig.
The new Camaro is shaping up to be something potentially big as long as GM gets the word out and Chevy gets people to test drive them.
And, bless their hearts, you don't need to get a top level V8 to actually have a great car! If you get the V8, you'll probally add 200 pounds to the Camaro, heap another $4-5000 hit on the sticker (not to mention higher insurence) and take a 2 mpg hit on fuel economy (and certainly more on day-to-day driving), and might even give up something on the fun factor. A DI V6 would be the best of all worlds.
I'm convinced that GM DID learn their lesson from the 4th gen.
Latest drag time on a DI CTS:
http://www.dragtimes.com/Cadillac-CT...lip-14133.html
The LY7 3.6 V6 version of the Pontiac G8 weighs 3885 pounds, has a 256 horsepower, and 252 lbs/ft of torque. It runs 7 seconds to 60 and the quarter in the low 15s at just over 90 mph, and gets 17/25 mpg according to the EPA.
The LLT 3.6 direct injection V6 produces just over 300 hp, 272 ft/lbs of torque. In the Cadillac CTS, the vehicle weight is 3874. It does 0-60 in about 6.3 seconds and the quarter in just under 15 seconds at 95 mph. It gets 17/26 mpg.
The new Camaro will likely be roughly a similar weight as the Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTO.
While the V8 versions weighed in around 3700 pounds, the Monaro CV6 had a supercharged 3.8 V6 engine, and had a curb weight of just over 3500 pounds. It had just 229 hp and 277 ft/lbs of torque. It ran 0-100K (0-62 mph) in the mid 6 second range. It came only with an automatic.
It's not a far jump to see why the V6 5 speed Camaro apparently stole the show with the focus group currently checking out preproduction 5th gens.
With nothing more than the regular V6, with 3500 pounds and the right gearing, a V6 Camaro would be a blast to drive. With over 300 pounds under the G8, it's not unreasonable for a manual Camaro to reach 60 in 6 seconds flat and possibly less with the quarter in the upper 90s.
But that's not even the top V6.
The 3.6 direct injected V6 would absolutely scream in the new Camaro.
It has over 25 more horsepower than the LT1 Camaro did. In a 5th gen, it would weigh roughly as much as the 4th gen LT1 did. Again, with the right gearing, it would make up the torque difference between the two.
In short, if Camaro ends up with the DI V6 (not even considering a possible increase in horsepower between now and next year), a 6 speed manual with good gearing, an agressive rear axle ratio, and comes in at the CV6's 3500 pounds, we should have a V6 Camaro that will roughly split the difference between the LT1 and LS1 Camaro in performance!
To top it off, the 17/26 mpg fuel economy of a DI Camaro is idenical to the 4 liter base Mustang with nowhere near the same power (the GT is rated at 15/23).
Even more impressive, this performance is available at better fuel economy than the current Evo (16/22), Eclipse V6 (16/25), VW R32 (18/23), Nisan 350Z (18/25), and matches the G37 coupe (17/26).
Even the Accord coupe (17/25) comes up short next to a 300+ hp DI V6 Camaro.
Forget about someone's arbitrary weight number. Perish the though about the new Camaro being a gas guzzling pig.
The new Camaro is shaping up to be something potentially big as long as GM gets the word out and Chevy gets people to test drive them.
And, bless their hearts, you don't need to get a top level V8 to actually have a great car! If you get the V8, you'll probally add 200 pounds to the Camaro, heap another $4-5000 hit on the sticker (not to mention higher insurence) and take a 2 mpg hit on fuel economy (and certainly more on day-to-day driving), and might even give up something on the fun factor. A DI V6 would be the best of all worlds.
I'm convinced that GM DID learn their lesson from the 4th gen.
Latest drag time on a DI CTS:
http://www.dragtimes.com/Cadillac-CT...lip-14133.html
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Now why couldn't one of those base models splitting the difference between an LT1 and LS1 Camaro be a small, light V8 like EVERYONE wanted in the first place instead of a powerful V6 that will basically perform the same concerning performance and MPG??
No matter how good the V6 car is, people want the V8 for the sound and bragging rights. I still think not including that is a mistake. For example, people will always take a 300HP 17/26 MPG V8 over a 310HP 18/27 V6 in a car like this just because of the V8 factor. IMO, having an SS with two engine options, one being a small V8, would have been the biggest seller out of ALL of the models offered, more than any V6, a bigger V8 SS, and of course more than a Z06-like top model Z28.
No matter how good the V6 car is, people want the V8 for the sound and bragging rights. I still think not including that is a mistake. For example, people will always take a 300HP 17/26 MPG V8 over a 310HP 18/27 V6 in a car like this just because of the V8 factor. IMO, having an SS with two engine options, one being a small V8, would have been the biggest seller out of ALL of the models offered, more than any V6, a bigger V8 SS, and of course more than a Z06-like top model Z28.
I think you're wrong about that one..........
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If it weighs 3500 lbs or there abouts with 300hp, that'll be a pretty fast car for most people (300hp Mustangs are sub 14 second cars, dont see why a 300hp Camaro wouldn't be unless something is really soaking up the power), enough of that 1/4 mile stuff though, given a killer suspension and equally killer brakes and you got yourself a nice little road carver which should feel a bit lighter on its feet than the V8 car, a modern day interpetation of the orginal Z/28 if you will (provided people can look past the bent 6).
Now about that twin turbo V6 Evo-X destroyer you guys obviously have in the works...
Now about that twin turbo V6 Evo-X destroyer you guys obviously have in the works...
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I'm having a really hard time not starting up a big bench racing session over a 6spd LT1 4thgen vs a manual tranny ~300 hp V6 5thgen... I'm sure it's been done here, but not today I don't think, lol.
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Almost everyone. If both were similar (big V6/small V8) why would someone NOT take the V8 if given the option, especially in a car like this? It was discussed time and again and that was the basic feeling. I think you're wrong on this one.
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Can't speak for the camaro not having driven either the V6 or V8 but my manager has a 2008 Mustang V6 and quite frankly, everytime I drive it just completely falls short of my GT, and not all of it has to do with the power difference.
As the man above me mentioned, no thanks, I'll take the V8. Especially seeing as how I've already got a muscle car doing 300hp, no real point in getting another one.
As the man above me mentioned, no thanks, I'll take the V8. Especially seeing as how I've already got a muscle car doing 300hp, no real point in getting another one.